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submitted 2 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

An influential global body has forecast Russia's economy will grow faster than all of the world's advanced economies, including the US, this year.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expects Russia to grow 3.2% this year, significantly more than the UK, France and Germany. 

Oil exports have "held steady" and government spending has "remained high" contributing to growth, the IMF said.

Overall, it said the world economy had been "remarkably resilient"

"Despite many gloomy predictions, the world avoided a recession, the banking system proved largely resilient, and major emerging market economies did not suffer sudden stops," the IMF said.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago

Russia is keeping the economy going by burning money on the war.
Maybe 3.2% growth is a bit better than expected, but investments can't be good with high National Bank interest rates, and AFAIK inflation is still hurting consumers in Russia. Consumer spending remains high, mostly because essentials is a high share of consumption.

Just because Russia has decent economic growth on paper, doesn't mean the economy is actually good or healthy if it's based on deficits.

[-] capem@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

Anything positive about Russia is a lie.

Anything negative about Ukraine is a lie.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago

Wow you really proved them wrong.

[-] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago

government spending has remained high

War will do that.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Building things and then blowing them up increases your GDP but it provides negative benefit to your society. All of that labor is wasted just for products that are destroyed and cause destruction.

And wage growth will be very robust if you force 1 million of your best workers to flee the country and then kill or cripple 300,000 more workers on top, and then create tons of jobs to build stuff that gets blown up instead of things people can actually use for something productive.

Neither of these metrics tell the real story for a wartime economy. Subsidizing useless production that gets blown up has to take largely from state coffers, robbing from essential services for the population.

And if you lose your revenue streams like oil because your refineries and pipelines keep getting blown up and you lose customers to sanctions, and you take workers from useful sustainable jobs with real benefit and move them to building things you blow up instead, eventually you will have to choose between any services for the population and funding the war.

You don't get tax revenue from state spending that you blow up. Take it far enough and you'll just run out of money for the war and will have to enter hyperinflation to keep printing the money to fund it.

These trends are under way in Russia, they spend 40% of their national budget on war already. They lost 20% of their refining capacity in the last couple months alone. It will take a while to reach a full disaster, but they can't continue this way indefinitely. They will hit the wall at some point in the next decade.

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago

A lot of unseen costs of this war will take decades to be seen.

Reduced education spending? Less qualified workers to create added value.

Reduced social services? More people getting sick and dying.

Reduced infrastructure spending? Increased prices of transport and goods.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Yes. Enshittification on a national scale.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of numbers going up.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It will take a while to reach a full disaster, but they can't continue this way indefinitely. They will hit the wall at some point in the next decade.

I'm curious to see if/how much those effects will be diminished by the war effort sabotage by the right will dampen the impact over the coming years

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

It's having a big impact right now. If they keep it going for another year, Ukraine will be in serious trouble.

[-] reddit_sux@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 2 years ago

The question is not whether Russia will hit a wall, the question remains whether there will be a Ukraine before that happens. Russia just like big corporations is too big to fail.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

It all depends on NATO. NATO countries have 20 times the GDP of russia and 5 times the population. If NATO stays in, Russia will lose. If they don't, Ukraine will lose.

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Collapse incoming

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 10 points 2 years ago
[-] Granixo@feddit.cl 6 points 2 years ago

But how will Oil exports remain sustainable once most of the population uses EVs?

[-] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 years ago

Will not happen anytime soon.

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 5 points 2 years ago

In 30+ years

[-] reddit_sux@iusearchlinux.fyi 2 points 2 years ago

You will still need to charge those EVs, electricity production is still dominated by production via burning of hydrocarbons, by-products of oil.

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

A lot of oil is used to produce energy or heat homes and to produce plastics. Moving towards renewables and better home insulation will have a much stronger and faster positive effect on reduced oil consumption than a move to EV's would.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Turns out the intl sanctions have just shifted Russia towards domestic industries and massive govt spending, invalidating half a century of propaganda against domestic spending and indigenous industry, oops!

Yes, the war has its negative impacts hidden by this metric, but Russia did the objectively correct thing by not scrambling to replace lost intl trade. Compare with the UK that hasn't made up for lost intl. trade since brexit and is still suffering for it.

[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

While we are suffering with stagnant wages and inflation Russia China and Mexico were the only countries that had positive wage growth the last few years

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