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[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

Lets destroy a sovereign country and annex it because:

  • some people there may be nazis
  • sudeten, oops, russian minority
  • being pro-Amerikkka

How do you even exist with yourselves. You are a joke.

[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago

of course, a nation is truly sovereign after a fascist coup planned and funded by a foreign government, this makes perfect sense

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[-] Cassa 52 points 1 year ago

Wait. You guys spread putins propaganda? Rly?

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You guys spread putins propaganda?

Western media used to spread Putin propaganda before February 2022 too, look.

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Listen Jack, there's no propaganda, anyway Cornboy war a bad hombre shakes hand of absent person showers nazis in money

[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 63 points 1 year ago

Wait. You spread bidens propaganda? Rly?

[-] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 1 year ago

Ukraine has a serious Nazi problem. You're going to have to grow up and learn to deal with the real world.

[-] Cassa 20 points 1 year ago

The world has a serious nazi problem. Russia has way bigger nazi problems. Poland is run by the PiS, nazis.

You wanna see the real world honey? Nazis are all over, and it just helps the facist putin to support his claim of nazis in Ukraine

[-] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 1 year ago

Show me anywhere in the world that has open Nazi units serving in the military.

Show me anywhere in the world that openly celebrates Nazis as national holidays.

Show me anywhere in the world that renames streets, shopping malls, stadiums after Nazis.

Show me anywhere in the world that runs Nazi indoctrination camps for children.

I can show you all of these for Ukraine.

Over to you. Darling.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Show me anywhere in the world that openly celebrates Nazis as national holidays.

Latvia comes immediately to mind, which coincidentally is one of the most zealous supporters of Ukraine and USA.

[-] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Thanks, wasn't aware.

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[-] Speedmaster@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

All of the Balkans do that too. Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia have open nazis and fascists serving and commanding their militaries. Croats after the Ustaše, Bosniaks too. Serbs on the other hand glorify the Chetniks, rehabilitate mass murderers and anti-communist war criminals (rehabilitated Nikola Kalabic a few days ago as we speak). There is no city in Bosnia that has not got a street, school or sport club named after a Ustaša, or a Chetnik or a Bosniak radical muslim fascist. That doesn't only happen in Ukraine. Greece, Bulgaria, Romania they all do it too.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia have open nazis and fascists serving and commanding their militaries

I really wonder how that came to be, don't click here it has nothing to do with it ;)

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The world has a serious nazi problem

Agreed, but some countries have it worse than others. I'm sure there's some nazoids lurking around in the shadows in China or Vietnam, but the issue in Ukraine is that they are in the government and have a pretty significant representation in the army.

https://files.catbox.moe/qpip95.webm

Russia has way bigger nazi problems

It doesn't.

Russia is pretty far from perfect and people who idolize Putin are lost, but in this regard they are leagues above Ukraine.

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago

I agree we should wage unlimited warfare on all fascists, and I support Ukrainian fascists killing Russian fascists, let them take care of each other. Your point?

[-] BelieveRevolt@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

You're right: it supports his claim of Nazis in Ukraine to point out that there are Nazis in Ukraine. I guess we should just keep pretending that Azov & co. aren't Nazis so we don't do that. Next we should stop breathing oxygen so we don't support Putin's claim that breathing oxygen is good.

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PiS, nazis.

What are you talking about xD

They are at best christo-fascists who peddle both anti-communism and anti-hitlerism to peddle their disgusting political line. You want Polish fascists who tend to have nazi tendencies? Look no further than Korwin and their little new coalition "Nowa Nadzieja".

Oh and I almost forgot, that our liberals tend to call PiS's social programs (used to sway public opinion towards them, by abusing the people who need material help the most) "socialism".

You wanna see the real world honey?

Redditor nie uniżaj innym nie mając twardych dowodów czelendż (NIEMOŻLIWY)

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Remember when Andrzej Duda came out after entire night of brainstorming after the missile killed 2 people in Poland and said "There is absolutely no reason to suspect it was deliberate attack on Poland"?

Literal Kremlin propagandist apparently, according to what i read in reddit immediately after the event.

[-] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nazis in Ukraine doesn't justify the war, but it needs to be fucking addressed.

We are sending billions in weapons to Ukraine without the faintest idea where they end up, and which hands get to store them. Edit: We kind of do know, but close our eyes to that reality.

Last time we did this, it was Taliban/ISIS/Al-Queda. Shouts out to our Anti-Soviet freedom fighter Osama Bin Laden:

White ISIS might be just around the corner.

So what can we do? End the war.

Peace negotiations and humanitarian help for the people caught in the middle. Fuck Russia, but also fuck America and NATO. We(Western nations) provoked this war, and it has been brewing for at least a decade. We did absolutely nothing to prevent it. On the contrary: We supported fascists and nazis in Ukraine, and expanded militarybases across Russian borders.

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 year ago

I think the first question you should ask yourself is why do you think Putin spreads propaganda, but the western media spreads the truth and facts?

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[-] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago

No investigation, no right to speak

Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense?

It won' t do!

It won't do!

You must investigate!

You must not talk nonsense!

[-] TheGreatSpoon@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean the Azov Batallion is a nazi organization. This is commonly accepted knowledge and a result of Stepan Bandera (a nazi who wanted independence from the Soviet Union) being the primary driver of nationalist sentiment in Ukraine. The western media just want to pretend like the fact that they 'only' run the propaganda for the National Guard isn't bad enough to make every soldier a nazi.

...And that's a fair point but irrelevant to whether the Ukrainian military has fascist sympathies. Imperialist wars are always motivated by capitalist interests and fought with the blood of workers. The question is who's material interests those workers are serving, wittingly or no. The Ukrainian ministry is giving a lot of power very specifically to the tiny militia of Azov Batallion which I think answers that question.

Finally, yes it's also Russian propaganda but that says more about the west than Russia. If the Kremlin can invade a country and make itself look like it has the moral highground while doing it using commonly accepted facts you really fucked up. They might not be on the right side of history, but you are on the really really far outer edge of the wrong side of it.

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[-] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 year ago

And then when you say you don't support Ukraine, you're the Nazi.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 year ago

that's right, people who don't support literal nazis are actually nazis

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[-] antik@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And then you have PMC Wagner which is named after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner, also the callsign of its founder Dmitry Utkin. Pictured here with a nice SS tattoo.

All big coincidences I'm sure :)

Edit: downvote away hypocrites :D

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you know it's complete bullshit when even the wikipedia article of the dude calls it out:

https://archive.today/nPSaZ

In 2016, Utkin was pictured at a ceremony in the Kremlin intended to honor the courage of military personnel and civilians, but he hasn’t been seen in public since.

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[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 year ago

I ain't gonna cry for them, Nazi battalions shooting other Nazi battalions is just my stuff 🥰

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Sadly (for you) Utkin did not found Wagner...

[-] PavelKorchagin@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Yep, they're bad too, congratulations

[-] sicaniv@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We have an influx of Liberandus here on lemmygrad too. Let's deprogram.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

I think on Lemmygrad we should really be proactive with banning.

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[-] sifav6@latte.isnot.coffee 23 points 1 year ago

Yea, there's a lot of stuff that the western media doesn't report on.

[-] sicaniv@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 1 year ago

Western media is like a well curated feed of coverage of events around the world in a way that creates a perception of world among the readers that suits their masters.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Yep. It's all directed by secret services in a dialectical relationship with the haute bourgeoisie. They don't even hide it. They just gaslight us and say that even though the CIA and a handful of billionaires own and run so many media outlets, they're all independent because a watchdog they set up said so.

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[-] SillyJester@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

Ironically they used to until the war. I remember watching a documentary on Ukrainian nazis I think from Vice(?). Where did it all go? Manufactured consent.

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