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submitted 8 months ago by FirstCircle@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml

Members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol have warned America for three years to take former President Donald Trump at his word.

Now, as Trump is poised to win the Republican presidential nomination, his criminal trials face delays that could stall them past Election Day, and his rhetoric grows increasingly authoritarian, some of those lawmakers find themselves following their own advice.

In mid-March, Trump said on social media that the committee members should be jailed. In December he vowed to be a dictator on “day one.” In August, he said he would “have no choice” but to lock up his political opponents.

“If he intends to eliminate our constitutional system and start arresting his political enemies, I guess I would be on that list,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose). “One thing I did learn on the committee is to pay attention and listen to what Trump says, because he means it.”

Lofgren added that she doesn’t yet have a plan in place to thwart potential retribution by Trump. But Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), who has long been a burr in Trump’s side, said he’s having “real-time conversations” with his staff about how to make sure he stays safe if Trump follows through on his threats.

“We’re taking this seriously, because we have to,” Schiff said. “We’ve seen this movie before … and how perilous it is to ignore what someone is saying when they say they want to be a dictator.”

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[-] quink@lemmy.ml 145 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Non-American just double-checking I’ve got his right…

Private citizen makes actionable credible threat to unlawfully detain legislators, legislators choose to do nothing for about half a year before slowly murmuring without specifics other than “yeah he said it” and “I think he means us”.

You OK USA? Just checking in.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 63 points 8 months ago

There is, unfortunately, no law against saying you're going to be a power abusing jackass. And the Republicans have decided that if he gets into office, they'll protect him from impeachment and removal no matter what. His lawyers have literally argued that the president can order assassinations of their political rivals.

So no, we're not okay.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

There is, unfortunately, no law against saying you’re going to be a power abusing jackass.

I would argue that Trump committed sedition and terroristic threats. The trouble is that everyone in the Federal government is either too chickenshit or too traitorous themselves to prosecute.

[-] quink@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I see. I should have my lawyers argue buying a $1,000,000 house for $0 is reasonable, that way a deal for $500,000 is perfectly reasonable. In the same way that threatening to illegally detain is a halfway compromise between nothing and threatening murder.

And it seems that imprisoning political opponents goes beyond carting down a hill in a shopping trolley which is what we here overseas associate with “jackass”, but what do I know.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 44 points 8 months ago

We are not okay. Nothing will happen to him about it, though. He can be literally court ordered to not talk shit about courtroom staff or families, then talk shit about them, and he gets nothing other than a reduced bond and an extension to pay that.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

https://images.app.goo.gl/fQWwqgb2CPyjUDkM7

Jokes aside, if the US falls to fascism, it’s gonna be a massive problem for Europe. Imagine fascists in charge of the biggest nation with a history of colonialism, and the world’s largest stockpile of nukes.

It would be awesome if the other first-world nations started taking this threat seriously, before it’s too late.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

We need the world to issue sanctions against the US. Please sanction us. We lost control of the government and need your help

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago

Giving our oligarchs the same treatment as russian oligarchs would be a good start. Seize their property and assets wherever and whenever possible.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 14 points 8 months ago

Certainly I think it would be fair that they pay reparations for their crimes.

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

We are not. Please send help

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No we're not ok.

On the one hand moderate and liberal voters, the DNC, establishment Democrats, centerist corporate news stations, past presidents and Biden himself are talking about how dangerous Trump is. He cannot be allowed to win.

Okay, sounds serious. Serious enough to make some big moves in order to get the votes necessary to win by a comfortable margin? If you check out Biden's insistence on continuing to ship weapons to Israel the answer is "no".

And really this encapsulates the problem with so called moderates and liberals. When faced with a choice between left or right when the center cannot hold they just fuck around, stall or outright sabotage leftist efforts. Effectively cementing a rightward victory and then blaming it on leftists.

It's pretty pathetic how often they play this game and considering they actually do seem sincerely worried about Trump it's bewildering why they aren't seeking more cooperative efforts with leftists and progressives. They remain steadfastly confident stern lectures, as if leftists and progressives owe their votes, are all that is necessary.

[-] StarshotJohn@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

No, we are not.

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh look, yet another reminder of why the working class must never disarm.

SocialistRA.org

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago

Or why people need to get their shit together and get involved in politics

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

Why not both? I think everyone towards the left should consider some firearms. When history repeats itself Donald will be executing the socialists first. I do hope the dim bulbs of America get a clue before November, but I don't know if we should trust that they will.

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[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

It doesn't help that the largest employers in the US (Gov & USPS) bar their employees from involvement even at the local level if anyone can announce their party affiliation.

If you go further down the list of employers, it's a bunch of people who are mostly too overworked to have the time to vote...

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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

I agree with the ideals behind socialism more than any other political ideology. I own a gun. I don't think it would do me a bit of good if a modern government decided I should be dead.

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[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 28 points 8 months ago

Trump himself isn’t going to do anything.

Who would be the ones arresting them.

[-] Grobmobularb@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

It boggles my mind that anyone would listen to anything that fat fucking twatburger says.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 19 points 8 months ago
[-] baronvonj@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

He doesn't need anyone to arrest his opponents. He just needs the fervent MAGA base to be whipped up into a frenzy like on Jan 6th. To be so angry if no LEO arrests Trump's opponents that they go out kill them, because hey it's totally cool now because Trump's a dictator.

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[-] SpeakingColors@beehaw.org 9 points 8 months ago

That's kind of how the whole thing could/should fall apart. "Authority" gives a command and someone down the chain has to enact it, if that person or persons above the chain refused to act - there would be conflict, but hopefully the opportunity for realization that authority gave an objectionable command. The cynical take is that any number of enthusiastic appeasers would enact the command to engratiate themselves to the authority in the system, defeating the message of the refusal.

Unfortunately, much of American machismo includes stepping on others to get a better view, or to be viewed more prominently by favored authority. So to answer your question, there's probably a dishearteningly large pool of people who would jump at the tasks Trump would dictate.

[-] geekworking@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

If he wins it will be the loyalist puppets who he installs in the DOJ and other top positions in law enforcement and the courts. This is one of his campaign promises.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

federal officers directed by his attorney general

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

His cult will eat that shit up, completely forgetting he promised to lock up Hillary Clinton and they all ate that up too.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 9 points 8 months ago

Fortunately they are a minority. Unfortunately the US isn't a democracy

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Yup, I highly doubt he'll actually do it. I really don't believe he actually cares that much about politics, he just wants his name repeated in every household.

That said, they are credible threats, and they should be treated as such.

He might not care about politics but I can assure you he absolutely cares about his ego, and not being humiliated in legal proceedings.

He would absolutely lock someone up just for revenge, to demonstrate his power, and to have them ask him for forgiveness.

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago

What charges will he have them arrested for? I don't think that the president can just demand that people be arrested.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 17 points 8 months ago

If he has the right people in place he can do whatever we allow him to get away with. No one is going to arrest the president that's for sure. :(

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

They also can't tell people to storm the Capitol and try to overthrow an election they lost.

They also can't just take classified data when they're voted out of office and sell it to the Saudis.

They also can't fire the FBI director for investigating the White House.

They also can't with old military aid from another government because they won't fabricate evidence against their political rivals.

They also can't collude with state officials to throw out votes.

They also can't use campaign funds for hush-money payments.

There's a lot a President can't do that Trump has done.

[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

He could blanket pardon for murders of targets in DC maybe

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[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

And this is different than Assange and Snowden?

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

Yes, correct, this is different.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

LMAO I love how all the libs who've been salivating at the idea that Trump might get jailed are now appalled at the idea that Trump would jail his opponents. This is what happens when you start weaponizing your legal system. And before you come here to tell me that the charges against Tump are totally legitimate, I guarantee you that when Trump goes after his opponents, he'll have no trouble finding dirt on them because all US politicians are corrupt as fuck.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 17 points 8 months ago

Letting corrupt politicians go to jail is the opposite of weaponizing the legal system. Letting ONLY everybody but the corrupt politicians go to jail is weaponization.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

If your legal system went against all corrupt politicians then you might actually have a point here. However, selectively using the legal system to go after politicians from opposing parties is what weaponizing the legal system is.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

My legal system is Sweden.

What's selective about it? Who else has committed as much crime? Every time Republicans complain about this stuff and we look at the numbers the Republicans are always guilty of far many more infractions AND they always get away free in a higher percentage of cases. The reality is more prosecutions are needed, and you're naive if you think otherwise.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 8 months ago

he'll have no trouble finding dirt on them because all US politicians are corrupt as fuck.

And this is the problem with "both sides"ism.
"Sure these Republican politicians are corrupt as fuck, but all politicians are corrupt as fuck. How do I know? Look at the Republicans!"

They tried this with the whole impeachment of Joe Biden: start an investigation on bullshit and surely they'll find something because everyone is just as corrupt as they are.

They found nothing.

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[-] phx@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago

Oh yeah, all the people happy to see somebody gave justice for a series of criminal acts should be worried that said individual will assume power of the country and jail them as revenge. Totally a great thing.

You sure do love the idea of a dictatorship, as long as it's YOUR guy huh?

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[-] alex_02@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago

It is good to see that people are finally talking about this outside of twitter.

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