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Stay Mad, Tankies (lemmy.world)
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[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 180 points 10 months ago

I am a tankie and voting for Biden lmao. The Prolitariat must be protected till enough class conciousness is achieved for Socialism to succeed.

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 71 points 10 months ago

THANK YOU. It's that fkin simple.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

So simple, yet so hard for so many to understand.

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago

You sound like a rational tankie, which by the definitions that lemmies have explained to me, would make you not a tankie.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Anyone who thinks themselves a tankie is too self aware to be one" sounds like one of those fallacies you'd learn about in highschool. (What is a tankie, btw? I've been too scared to ask...)*

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm a tankie. What tankie is supposed to mean is someone who blindly supports anything anyone does so long as they claim to be communist and wave a red flag. There's maybe a handful of edgy teens who actually fit that description, but the way it's actually used is to punch left at anyone who supports anything a socialist country has ever done, or who is insufficiently patriotic/nationalistic and is willing to consider things from an internationalist perspective.

If you say for example that Cuba under Castro had a successful literacy program, then there are people who will accuse you of being a tankie just for that. Because it gets used this way, some people like myself chose to reclaim the insult and wear it proudly.

Generally, the actual term for most "tankies" would be Marxist-Leninist. But I actually prefer tankie because it's a more general, big tent label. It's used so broadly that even anarchists can be called tankies. It's basically like "woke" where it doesn't actually have any real meaning.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

Well I think there are probably a half dozen interpretations that people on Lemmy use. One I have heard repeated is that they view the Tiananmen Square event as something that China rightfully did... hence "Tankie"

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

The idea that that's the origin of the term is a common misconception. The actual origin was about the USSR under Kruschev sending in the military in response to a rebellion in Hungary. Some British communists supported the move, while other communists opposed it and labeled the supporters as tankies.

But regardless of the origin, it's changed to where now it's liberals using it to criticize socialists in general.

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I am by no means an expert, but the test that was explained to me is that if you look at the famous tianamen square picture of the guy holding grocery bags facing down a line of tanks, and then proceed to side with the line of tanks, then you're a tankie.

When I say that I am not an expert, what I actually mean is that I'm a random idiot from the internet, so don't take anything I say as gospel truth.

I've only been on lemmy for a few months, and I've never heard the term tankie on any other platform. My understanding is that a tankie is a militant supporter of communism, who completely disregards (or is in support of) how every time it's ever actually been done it turns into an authoritarian dictatorship (or something similarly unpleasant to live under).

My own biases exposed: I am an american, and most of what I know I learned in the absolutely fucked american public education system, which says communism = evil, because of the red scare a while back.

If you do some googling, there's a wikipedia article on the subject. I've forgotten most of the content of that article shortly after I read it, I should look at it again and maybe it will stick this time.

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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago

And I'd vote for a corpse before I vote for 34 time Convicted Felon Donald Trump. Eat the rich. Pack the courts. Seize the assets of felonious companies.

[-] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Mother fucker could be Dracula for all I care. Still voting for him.

[-] Paddzr@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago
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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

You get it! We can't fuck over vulnerable people. We can't abandon minorities and LGBT people. Even if we let things get worse to the point of a societal collapse, a lot of people will die because of it -- and societal collapse has not historically led to better societies down the road.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

That's such an important point. Anyone who thinks a win by Trump will somehow speed up the advent of socialism is just deluded.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

People think Trump will eventually make things so bad that the average man will salivate at the chance for Socialist rule...

What will actually happen if you get a nasty concoction made from a pinch of Handmaid's Tale with a dash of Holocaust 2....

And the average man won't care, as long as the trains run on time and they owned the libs... and if the trains don't run on time, they probably have libs to blame.

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

trains run on time

I am here to regretfully inform you about the state of american rail infrastructure...

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[-] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

My trans friends are what keeps me committed to voting Biden no matter how disappointed I am in him. Things are already really scary for them right now and I can't be complicit in making them worse, even through inaction.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

Consider me another one of your trans friends. If Trump gets elected I'm probably gonna die in a concentration camp. Don't do that to me, don't do that to them. I'm begging you for my life.

[-] MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

As a transwoman as well, I second this!

Don't let the fascist win!

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

I am trans and not voting for Biden. I refuse to sacrifice Palestinians for my own safety or the safety of my loved ones. All the stuff people say now about them being an acceptable sacrifice or there being nothing they can do about it, that's what they'll be saying about us tomorrow. Solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable strategy for long term survival.

I hate being used as a rhetorical token to make people feel better about selling out another vulnerable group.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I respect this decision. But, I’m selfishly voting for Biden. Trump’s first term stressed me out.

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[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

We can’t fuck over vulnerable people.

That's what you're doing when voting for Dems.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago

Yes, I see how you're protecting me when you elect the party that would arrest me for being a "Public Danger" because of the fact that I'm trans.

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[-] Holyginz@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Go educate yourself, and then you can join the adult discussions.

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[-] null@slrpnk.net 29 points 10 months ago

Most based .ml user

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Based and practicalpilled

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Thank you for being a sane human 🙏

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Prolitariat must be protected

By consenting to corruption and a path to WWIII. That is not protecting them, in fact it is ensuring them a terrible future. If you cared about them, you would vote, volunteer, donate, and support the PSL, CPUSA, or Green party instead.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

Lmao the green party isn't going to do jack shit. They're completely unserious about politics. They aren't even trying to build up an infrastructure in all 50 states that lets them get suffused into local and state politics. They aren't even aiming for Congressional seats, which would be necessary for an actual Green president to get anything done.

They're just anti science grifters who think wifi causes cancer, entertain vaccine skepticism, and demonize nuclear energy -- the latter of which could be a major asset to stopping global warming. Newer designs are even able to consume nuclear waste, meaning an anti nuclear position results in more waste than we would otherwise.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I actually had my local Socialist Party USA chapter kick me out, ban me from their facebook, and publicly announce that I'm a rape apologist because I wouldn't tell people to support an openly transphobic "Vaccines Cause Autism" Green Party candidate over Joe Biden.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Then support the PSL. I work with the Green party to improve it, because that's how democracy works. It's okay you don't understand that.

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[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

None of those parties have a ghost of a chance of winning, and with as razor thin as the win margins were in 2016 and 2020, I'm not confident Biden will win if we don't vote for him. I sincerely hope I do not have to explain why Trump would be worse on literally every issue (especially Gaza) than Biden is.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Then do something about it instead of complain. I am, what are you doing? You vote for corruption.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 10 months ago

Bro's protest voting when the ~~Weimar~~ American Republic has Nazis on the ballot and thinks building "grassroots support" for the twentieth year in a row justifies it when the world is about to run out of time anyways

You want Green candidates? Tell them to run as Democrats or make a fucking militia.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Dems are actually fascists, and you are as well for not only voting for them, but gathering support for them online when you could be doing that for a decent party.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes, yes, we all know what happens when you scratch a liberal but it's better than not having to scratch to find it. Even if all that's holding the powers that be back is a skin-deep veneer of civility and deniability a vote to strip that veneer away makes you a fool, not a revolutionary.

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[-] Nelots@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nobody likes voting for the lesser of two evils, but we all have to if we want to stop an even further decline into hell. Our system is broken, and we don't have any way of fixing it immediately, so we have to work with what we can. Trump as president will have immediate and direct consequences for many people, and it will be the fault of people like you that it happened. At this point, not voting for Biden is the same thing as voting for Trump. You may continue virtue signaling after we get through the crisis right in front of us.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

You're not voting for the lesser of two evils, you are voting for corruption and evil while doing absolutely nothing about it.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The system is set up in a way that the only viable options are between two evils, unfortunately. Under a FPTP system where the only good options are minority parties that won't win a single seat in their districts, you're left with the choice of voting for the lesser evil, or voting for your morals but increasing the risk of the greater evil winning.

It's a no-win situation.

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[-] gladflag@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

You’re voting for no one, giving more of a chance for the greater of two evils and still doing nothing. Where your fucking guillotine?

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Oh my god! A tankie who's not fucking stupid. I never thought I'd see the day.

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