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You should actually look into why they're all still there then, even though self-preservation says that's a terrible idea.
What?
There's immigrants moving all over the world, right? Going to Europe, America, etc. Why are Gazans still there, where there's not enough food, fresh water, there's only tents to live in, and a war rages around them? Millions of them. Don't the mothers want their babies to live? Why don't they flee like everyone else in the same sort of situation?
It's not hard to answer, just look it up when you get around to it.
I'd say, but I'm trying to wind down the conversation.
Because they stay there thinking its their right. Thinking they deserve to destroy Israel.
Also, before hamas pulled off the 7th October shitshow Gaza and Palestine was relatively save and began to economicaly get on track.
Also most refugees are a very very small portion of the people from a area, most stay. Even in Mariupol Ukraine there are still people, even in actual warzones where the invading military (Russia) hunts civilians.
Right now they can't leave because of the terrorist attack, nobody wants those terrorists to get away into another country.
Why do jews still exist even after being literally hunted for most of history?
Not hamas, Gazans that have no hamas affiliation. Could they enter Egypt? Could they enter Israel? Are there any other neighboring countries? Could they get on a boat, or a plane?
While yes, some always stay behind, a great many flee. Most do not stick around. Mariupol was encircled quickly, look at the towns in Eastern Ukraine where they had a lot of warning before the enemy arrived. Jews usually fled, that's why Israel was founded in the first place, right? A place to flee to.
At any rate, in Gaza, almost nobody has fled. Some should flee, right? But they actually cannot. Physically cannot, prevented by other people.
Maybe you should do a little research about why they don't go away and why nobody from outside takes them. And yes Hamas. Hamas is the root of problems. Btw, many gaza refugees live in Europe... And they despise most people still in gaza saying "these are the people responsible for all of the deaths, its not Israel shooting civilians left and right, its not Israelis going into "Palestine" with the IDF and spitting on dead people or killing them" this is a direct quote from one of the people i work with, he is a refuge from gaza, and he said that going out is not hard (was, currently it definitely is) and that they are allowed to leave into Israel when they want to move away.
Most don't want to go, it would be admitting defeat after almost 70 years of trying to get rid of Israel.
Shure Israel is blocking the entrys and exits now and was strictly regulating before. Iran already sends hamas weapons through tunnels, don't need the terrorists to leave and regroup outside of gaza for a attack on Israel. Don't need more Iranian weapons in Gaza, especially not even more Rockets.
You people argue that Israel should let a region with majority support for a terrorist organization, especially their genocide attacks, do whatever they want.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-over-70-palestinians-still-maintain-hamas-correct-to-commit-oct-7-atrocities/ *
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-poll-shows-palestinian-support-hamas-still-high-despite-mounting-death-toll *
(* same poll different sources)
The insanity is beyond reason.
I'm sorry for upsetting you, but don't put words in my mouth. I'm not arguing to let Gazans "do whatever they want", I have not said that or anything similar. If you remember, I said earlier that terrorists need to be dealt with, right?
It's those innocents, those that are not part of hamas, that's the sticking point. For whatever good or bad reasons they cannot leave, the fact is that today, they 100% cannot leave. So, they should not be callously butchered and/or starved simply because of what their fathers and neighbors have done.
Yes but they aren't being starved on purpose, Israel isn't targeting the civilians, that would be super counterproductive for them as more people would join the terrorists. Also Israel, contrary to popular belief does not have enough material to waste it on civilians. They fight a four front war against the Palestinian terrorists, the ones from Lebanon(hezbolla), the ones from the Egyptian border (hezbolla) and whatever Iran is currently plotting.
There is food getting into Gaza, its not enough for everyone, hut they try. They have to keep themselves save first however, you can't help anyone when you are dead. Nato is even airlifting supplys into Gaza where its not possible to get trucks with food.
The narrative being pushed by hamas is "Israel kills all our people with bombs and starves the children" this is textbook recruitment propaganda. They celebrate every single dead jew btw.
Yes, hamas is not good people, I do not trust them. I don't trust politicians either though, especially the more extreme ones.
That's why I say what sort of people the Israelis are remains to be seen. We don't know yet. We won't know until this is all over and we see what has become of those Gazans that are innocent. Will they be alive or dead? That will be telling.
Well, most are alive, most dead are terrorists or where used by them as human shields.
I do trust politicians waaaay more than terrorists. Even the extreme ones. Because they can be hold accountable. Terrorists are by definition illegal by Geneva conventions. Especially because they do target civilians.
A politician loyal to his own laws and courts, sure, I absolutely trust them more. They're aren't all, though. Ultimately a terrorist and a politician with no regard for their own law are very similar. Power-mad. A terrorist can even become a politician, it happens sometimes.