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[-] Astongt615@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

Ford and Hyundai have tried to bring service to that market with the Maverick and Santa Cruz, respectively. My folks have one and love it, but I've found most people still complain because they "don't need that big if a truck" but then you mention towing/hauling capacity and they say "well why can't it just tow something small like an F150 does? I'm not trying to get a dually but if I didn't want to do X then I'd just get a car!" I suspect most people's "truck needs" would be accommodated but fomo and marketing leads buyers astray even when they already know what they want. Or they're fickle and just need something to complain about.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago

Ford and Hyundai have tried to bring service to that market with the Maverick and Santa Cruz

They didn't try very hard. The Maverick doesn't have a single cab or full size bed option and the santa cruz looks like a SUV with 1/4 of the back chopped off.

Here's a comparison of a 2008 Ranger vs. a 2022 Maverick to show what I mean better. They're roughly the same size but you lose so much with the Maverick.

2008 RANGER Height 67.7 in. Length 203.6 in. Width 69.4 in. Wheelbase 125.9 in.

2022 MAVERICK Height 68.7 in. Length 199.7 in. Width 72.6 in. Wheelbase 121.1 in.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the 2008 ranger is such a nice truck. Maverick is just a minivan with an open trunk. Might as well just get a real minivan.

I have a minivan and it carries everything we need. If I put down the back seats, it carries about as much ae a Ford Maverick, perhaps more. I can also fold or remove the middle seats for even more space, which is comparable to a full bed. The only thing it can't really do is take dumps of mulch, gravel, etc, but it can tow a trailer for that.

Minivans are fantastic.

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I drive a 98 Ranger XLT, it has a 5900 lb towing capacity. I'm pretty much going to keep fixing it forever.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I drove a 99 Ranger into the ground. It was absolutely fine in every way that truck people care about. Give us back our small trucks!

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The Ranger/B2000, S-10, and first Tacoma were really the sweet spot for compact pickup trucks but you won't get them back, because all of them got killed by CAFE.

[-] Astongt615@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

CAFE, safety, larger wheels, more gadgets. These mega corps do their research. Turns out the "real small truck lovers" are a vocal minority, or the things you say you want didn't include all the things you take for granted in every new car because they just...are.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Not me. I'm content to be the minority. My truck is from '99 and newer vehicles annoy the shit out of me.

I don't want gadgets and I don't want to need a stepladder to get in it, either. 8' bed, single cab, crank windows.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

It's the same shit as with smartphones. "If people wanted a headphone jack/removable battery/SD slot/whatever then why are they still buying smartphones?" BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OPTIONS THAT HAVE WHAT THEY WANT. I haven't bought a phone since 2017 and I won't until forced into it by circumstances. We literally can't vote with our wallets because what we want isn't on the ballot.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Look up manufactured consent. When you mix American conservative male identity with American consumerism then it no longer matters that they would prefer smaller trucks. They will buy what's offered, at the insane price it's offered. (Pickup truck margin and dealer mark up is one of the highest)

So no, the mere sale of larger vehicles doesn't mean I'm in a minority. In order to get that data you'd need to have smaller pickups on offer at the same time.

[-] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

What do you find people want to tow? I'm often at a loss when people bring this up because I've never once had a moment in my life where I was disappointed by the lack of towing capacity of my small car

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Camping. Boats. Moving furniture. Gay party floats. The list goes on.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What the heck do you need to tow for camping if you have a pickup truck? I can see boats, but boat people buy the towing capacity they need. Not the size of truck.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Note that Americans basically all drive automatic transmissions, those have a thing called a torque converter. Unless that part is actively cooled it's going to overheat when asked to do high-torque stuff over prolonged durations and as that active cooling needs space and weight it generally only comes with truck-sized vehicles.

In short: The reason Americans don't haul caravans and horses and boats with cars is because they can't drive stick.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

?

Every automatic transmission car sold since the 1970's and probably earlier has had a transmission cooler, right there alongside or in front of the radiator.

[-] vivavideri@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

They stopped SELLING THEM TO US!!!

[-] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ah I see! You see I am also American and have an automatic, but don't have the funds or space for boats, caravans, or horses. I definitely did not know that about the torque converter, so thank you for that info!

I guess I just always assumed that those with the money and land for those activities you listed are wealthy enough to be in the extreme minority, but the way you say this makes me think my friends across the pond have a different perspective. Perhaps I am also in a bit of a bubble, having grown up in and only talk to people in a similar economic class.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh boats are definitely a big money thing (unless we're talking inflatable, even with outboard motor), horses well you just may have a crazy horse girl on your hands -- they definitely cost money but are affordable on an insurance clerk's salary, but caravans aren't expensive. You can get a decent used one for 5k and camping grounds and cooking for yourself are quite a bit cheaper than hotels and restaurants. Maybe the difference is that over here, people do have vacations.

And simple flatbed trailers are even cheaper, under 1k if you're lucky, new. If you're DIYing and are transporting material regularly but don't want a VW Transporter or such (as most contractors would use) those definitely make a lot of sense.

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