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The EU will impose additional tariffs of 17.4% to 38.1% on electric cars produced in China, the European Commission announced on Wednesday (12 June), as preliminary results from its anti-subsidy investigation confirmed prices are being distorted by Chinese state support.

The value chain of Chinese electric cars “benefits from unfair subsidisation, which is causing a threat of economic injury to EU battery electric vehicles producers,” EU Commission Vice-President Margaritis Schinas said on Wednesday (12 June).

“When our partners breach the rules, we will assert our rights,” Executive Vice-President Valdis Dombrovskis said in a statement.

“Today we have reached a milestone in our anti-subsidy investigation,” he said, adding that “this is based on clear evidence of our extensive investigation and in full respect of WTO rules.”

Duties will differ per carmaker, with Chinese state-owned manufacturer SAIC facing the highest duty at 38.1%, Chinese Geely to face 20% and BYD 17.4%.

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[-] bluGill@kbin.run 4 points 1 year ago

An engine is not thousands of dollars. They mass produce them and so the incremental cost for each one is less than $100 each. There is a lot of engineering costs in an engine, and the cost to setup mass production is high, but that is amortized over all the cars they put that engine in. (there is a reason auto maters only have a few engines that they put in everything)

A battery is $7000, but the raw materials and labor to make it are a large part of that price (I don't have insight on what the price is) Of course auto makers know they need a lot of batteries and so are working on automation to bring the per battery cost down.

[-] echutaa@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

An engine would scrap for more than $100 you’ll have to cite that figure to make it believable.

[-] bluGill@kbin.run 1 points 1 year ago

Last I checked the whole car scrapped for $250, and there is a lot more metal in the rest of the car (transmission, drive train..) than the engine.

Engines are worth more than $100 if they are rebuild-able. However the incremental cost to the automaker is less than $100. Remember, incremental cost does not include the cost of engineering, setting up the assembly line, or profit margin (which are all very expensive and raise the actual cost) - just the raw materials and labor to run the line.

[-] echutaa@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

No citations and more outlandish claims. So I’ll put a little math here. From the first google results aluminum scraps around $0.44/lb and a smaller engine block is about 300lb which comes out to $132, not including heads manifolds, pistons etc.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Lmao if you can build a reliable car engine for $100 I'll give you a billion dollars for a car startup that will outcompete everyone else.

[-] bluGill@kbin.run 2 points 1 year ago

You fail to understand the difference between incremental costs and full costs. A modern car engine can be under $100 each for materials and assembly labor. However that does not count the costs of engineering, or building the assembly line, much less profit margin. Those costs are much higher in an EV.

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