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[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The reason we cook most meats is because capitalism dictates it should be produced the cheapest possible way, leading to contaminations and other nasty stuff in the meat that require cooking it. Even salmonella isn't present in raw chicken if the chicken grew in a clean environment eating clean food.

[-] Halosheep@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

Dude what the fuck are you on about? Wild animals carry parasites and other harmful microorganisms that cooking removes. Are you seriously implying that modern farming is the reason we cook our food?

I know that capitalism is the boogeyman on lemmy and is the cause of all things bad, but this one really takes the cake.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Why so aggressive? I realize my original comment was maybe not clear and lacked context because I honestly just typed it in a bit of a rush without thinking too hard about it, but that's no reason to put words in my mouth and attack me.

Obviously, wild animals can carry parasites and we certainly started dying from food born illnesses much less often once we figured out to cook the meat, that's so basic I didn't even think my comment could be interpreted that way. But that has little to do with the topic (which was whether we can digest raw meat) and ignores the myriad of dishes that are made of raw meat like steak tartare, torisashi, charcuterie, carpaccio, sushi, poisson cru a la tahitienne, etc etc.

The common theme of all these dishes is the meat is of high quality, butchered and prepared well (Vs minced meat full of cow shit because they don't bother butchering them properly, for example). That was my only point.

[-] Shurimal@kbin.social 11 points 5 months ago

The most dangerous meats are ones originating from wild animals. Eg there are all sorts of nasty parasite cysts in wild boar meat. Nature is brutal and there is no such thing as "clean" meat from wild animals. Human inability to deal with this and becoming severely sick without thoroughly cooking the wild meat is evidence that even if we technically are somewhere on omnivore spectrum, we're not really good omnivores—certainly not as good as bears or even boars. Honestly, eating insects, honey and eggs in addition to plants (fruit specifically) seems more like what we're evolved to do.

[-] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Yes, because we evolved to eat body parts from animals who were raised in laboratory conditions? Get real, the majority of infectious outbreaks have a zoonotic origin. Covid was caused by carnists, and so is h5n1. You can't have any animal domestication without an increase of pathogens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 months ago

Who talked about laboratory conditions? Just normal conditions like being outside, instead of the pool of shit battery chickens are raised in.

[-] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

And as others have already said here, all other sources of animal foods are also unclean, because animals are unclean. Your idea of clean meat could only come from a laboratory - lab-grown animal-free meat, for example.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ok buddy, guess I'm dead from all the charcuterie, steak tartare, carpaccio and sushi I've eaten in my life and typing this from hell (obviously wouldn't be heaven, what with the meat eating and all).

[-] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago

I'm just assuming that you are, in fact, aware that the likely primary advantage of inventing cooking was that the food is partially broken down before we consume it, meaning we need much less time and energy digesting it, which leaves us with more time to do other things, which is a huge evolutionary advantage. Right? Of course, every child knows that most animals spend a significant amount of time just digesting food, far more than humans.

Well, since you're clearly a well educated person that knows these things, I can't find any other reasoning behind what you posted here than that you're arguing in bad faith, or trolling. Please either read a book or stop trolling. In any case, don't post about shit you know nothing about.

[-] Shurimal@kbin.social 1 points 5 months ago

The most dangerous meats are ones originating from wild animals. Eg there are all sorts of nasty parasite cysts in wild boar meat. Nature is brutal and there is no such thing as "clean" meat from wild animals. Human inability to deal with this and becoming severely sick without thoroughly cooking the wild meat is evidence that even if we technically are somewhere on omnivore spectrum, we're not really good omnivores—certainly not as good as bears or even boars. Honestly, eating insects, honey and eggs in addition to plants (fruit specifically) seems more like what we're evolved to do.

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