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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Wow. Everyone must be lying to you constantly. I can picture you at a restaurant after a waiter lists the specials. "Those are made of conventional ingredients I could buy at a grocery store and cook myself, so they aren't really special now are they? You're lying to me!"

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Everyone must be lying to you constantly.

Not really, afaik

I can picture you at a restaurant after a waiter lists the specials. “Those are made of conventional ingredients I could buy at a grocery store and cook myself, so they aren’t really special now are they? You’re lying to me!”

I thought the list specials meant it was something outside of the ordinary menu, making them special to the list. If they claim they're made of special ingredients and it's the same ingredients from the regular store you visit, then they probably are taking you for a ride tbh.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

"They're from outside the ordinary menu, but you could make them if you wanted to and I paid you enough. So they aren't special, you liars! Also, you call this the soup of the day, but you offer three soups so they are all the soups of the day! I am taking my business to an honest establishment! Good day, sir!"

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

They’re from outside the ordinary menu

That makes them special to the menu though. Not sure what your issue with that is tbh.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

"Nowhere do you state that "specials" mean something other than what is on the ordinary menu! You did not make that clear to me at all, you liar!"

By the way, how many children do you have? Remember, if it's zero, you wouldn't want to lie like you did earlier when I asked you what you told them and you responded.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

If they don't specify how they're special then they need to be special in any way for what they say to be true though. If they say they're special in a certain way and they aren't, then that'd be a lie.

By the way, how many children do you have?

Remember, if it’s zero, you wouldn’t want to lie like you did earlier when I asked you what you told them and you responded.

Not sure why you think I wouldn't want to lie or why you think I lied earlier.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Got it. Lying by omission is not lying. You need to contact the world's justice systems and let them know.

Not sure why you think I wouldn’t want to lie

Okay, then what is even the point of this conversation? Are you just bored and looking for someone to be contentious with?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Got it. Lying by omission is not lying. You need to contact the world’s justice systems and let them know.

I'm not sure what omission you are talking about.

Okay, then what is even the point of this conversation? Are you just bored and looking for someone to be contentious with?

I just wanted to make the original point. And now I'm just replying to your messages (even though the original discussion seem to be over) because I feel like it'd be rude not to.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Your "original point" was that I was lying to my daughter by not coming up with unreasonable alternatives even though she clearly knew what I meant and understood what I was saying. It was a ridiculous point and it is no more a lie than the specials example because, as you made clear, she understood the context.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Your “original point” was that I was lying to my daughter by not coming up with unreasonable alternatives even though she clearly knew what I meant and understood what I was saying.

Sorta, I just meant that yeah you were lying because the actual reason was convenience. As for the specials example, I'm not sure it really worked (or you didn't properly work it out), since in that case the special was actually special in some form. If you meant that it wasn't actually special in any way but I was expected to know it wasn't supposed to be, it would be closer, in that it would also be lying.'

What was the omission you talked about earlier btw?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Again, it wasn't convenience if she understood the context.

Why are you not getting that?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I was saying the reason to put the dishes away is convenience, not that dishes literally couldn't be washed otherwise.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Yes, and the reason to not beat clothes with a rock by the stream and put them in the washer instead is convenience, but my daughter knows that when I tell her, "if you don't put clothes in the wash, you'll have to wear stinky clothes," it isn't a lie, even though she understands that, if she wanted to, she could go out to the stream in the middle of February, break through the ice for the water, get a rock and start beating on the clothes.

Because she's not a fucking idiot.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean the explanation is not 100% true in the sense that it’s not the actual reason, but if she isn’t supposed to believe it then it’s not a lie in that sense, if you require intent. Not all definitions do, so it still could be a lie.

Because she’s not a fucking idiot.

I don’t know enough to comment on that

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I don't consider it a lie. She doesn't consider it a lie. Only you consider it a lie.

Why does your opinion on the matter have any relevance?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Me and some definitions of the word, correct.

Why does your opinion on the matter have any relevance?

I mean, does it?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Are you saying you give someone your contentious opinion, an opinion that implies via the context of the discussion before you butted in that my daughter is stupid and I'm a liar, when it has no relevance? That sort of sounds like trolling to me.

Are you a troll?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I didn't imply anything about your daughter. I was thinking you might be a bit simple since the sink think was so hard for you but it might've been something else too, so I don't necessary think that. Not sure where I implied you are a liar, I think you implied that about me but I don't remember doing it back. Could be I forgot.

I just mentioned how what you said was lying. It was imo relevant in that discussion. For my opinions, I'm not sure which ones you mean. I hope you found them relevant but they were really just additional comments brought on by the discussion. I thought they were relevant.

Oh and no, I'm not trolling. I try to answer your questions as best I can. You are asking about this stuff and I'm always not sure of the relevance, but I hope you don't think I'm a troll just for answering.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Do you not understand what the word context means? Because I would bet you know what it means since you seem to be literate enough.

Again, you implied I was a liar and she was stupid via the context of the discussion before you butted in.

The civil thing to do would be to apologize for implying such a thing even if you didn't intend to. Since I'm now fairly certain you're just a troll, I will not be holding my breath for that apology.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I understand context. I'm just saying you've misunderstood what I've implied. I don't doubt you believe you understood it correctly but I'm just saying you haven't.

The civil thing to do would be to apologize for implying such a thing even if you didn’t intend to.

I mean I didn't imply such a thing. I'm sorry you felt so though. I understand why you're upset.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago
[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago
[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Holy shit. You two actually went back and forth this long on something this stupid?! Impressive.

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