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It's advertising. I don't care for advertising. It's like if all food subs were posts by Kraft, Taco Bell, Lays, Ben & Jerry's, etc.
If people want to advertise, that's fine, there are avenues for that. r/gonewild got ruined by being filled to the brim with OF ads. Other communities had to be made to recreate the space that gonewild used to be.
the basis for r/gonewild was a place for REDDITORS to "go wild", not for women who are paid to do so, to then create a reddit account so they can have a place to advertise their product (their photos and videos) for free.
If gonewild wants to restrict OF posts, that's fine. Then it becomes a violation of community rules. That's really a debate for the mods and posters in gonewild. The mere fact that someone has an OF is not grounds for reporting.
There might be a need to handle the cross-community spammers on an instance or Fediverse wide level though, in particular the ones who post to any porn community with the same title and picture regardless of the picture/title being on topic for that community.
Yes.
They aren’t just advertising though, they are also contributing. A better analogy is food companies going to a food convention and giving out free food. The site would be a lot quieter without their contribution.
even with the food subs comparison the food companies would be "contributing" too, but with self-serving memes that are really just ads. See twitter for a solid example.
I think that this is better handled per community instead of per instance.
I get what you say about r/gonewild getting ruined by OF posts; OF posts are usually optimised to make you check the link and follow the content creator, so they're crafted in a very specific way to gather attention that spontaneous posts wouldn't, so the later ends overshadowed and the posts feel more and more similar to each other over time.
However, what I feel that the platform needs the most is content quantity; there's relatively little content here, so even OF posts are contributing, even if you label them as advertisement.
And in this specific case we can have the cake and have it too. Since we already know that OF and spontaneous content don't mix well, communities can be geared towards one or another type of content. Just like hentai vs. RL porn, or fetish vs. vanilla. It's also more inclusive because, come on, "you can't post here because you got OF" sounds a bit arbitrary as a restriction.
Note that your analogy with food subs is flawed: food subs discuss food, while porn subs distribute porn. You can't eat a cake online, but you can see porn online. And once we handle this difference, it becomes like @xyth said, it's more like those people are from food companies distributing free food, in a place about sharing free food. (Or rather food kiosks doing it - OF posters are individuals, not companies.)
Just my two cents.
I moderated a small subreddit. 90% of the posts I removed where OF bot spam, and 100% of obvious botspam was OF bots.
Between that and other platforms being filled with OF ads I can't say I agree. It needs to be handled on a per-instance basis because once the OF spam infection takes root it's basically impossible to eliminate regardless of community rules. Once direct posts get under control they move onto cross posting, then replying to top comments. It never ends.
For every one good OF creator that doesn't spam you get at least 10 who use bots, and the bot users make significantly more money while having to produce less content than the ethical OF creators and that'll never change. It's not worth letting them destroy an entire instance just to be fair to the few good actors.
Yeah, coming from Reddit here as well. I don’t think they understand what’s coming. Which is sad because plenty of us are trying to warn them.
r/Gonewild has specific rules about no OF posters. To the point that even if your post doesn’t mention OF, but you have one linked in your profile you get banned.
It made GW worse. Not just because OF creators have better, higher quality content that fits that sub, but also because as I pointed out once to them it was a dumb idea to block people who in most cases of OF creators don’t even monetize, or only do custom content. Otherwise the account is free to follow. Which is an important differentiation since diversifying where you post and where people can find you is a major thing.
How is it worse? It's back to it's roots and literally back to the reason for the sub in the first place. You know how many "free" OF pages consist of spam about special videos and offers? I'd say practically every single one.
as far as higher better quality, I'd disagree. There's something special about seeing someone who you think you could have a chance with. Who could be that quiet coworker down the hall, or a nurse you've seen. What if it's your friend's hot older sister you always had a crush on? Those women might not have been egirls, or would ever have the time, or money to spend on good lighting and photo editing. They're regular fucking people, just trying to get off, not get paid.
Wanting to spread your product around to get people to pay for it is called advertising. It's nothing new.
I can assure you none of those things is true.
First off, by pushing out OF creators all it did was make it so that an underground network was created on there instead. So the person you were seeing would have no mention of OF but would be a bot account meant to spam you with messages. It also created an issue where we saw so much damn editing of pictures and people posting others content to get around the rules. Hell, half of the posts were basically OF creators who made a second GW dedicated account that didn’t mention it but was designed to funnel views to their main.
Also, in the world of posting online it all becomes advertising. Even if not for money it’s all about putting yourself out there and getting validation, which requires people interacting with your post, which requires you to effectively advertise by posting certain content, doing things at certain times and coming up with fun titles. If you didn’t want advertising and a fair system to see all people then either having one GW account that posts only the content of the sub, or two having a system where everyone posts with the same title. The metrics show dumb titles work and it’s why if you scroll GW for any length of time you’ll notice that the same rehashed titles get used over and over.
Lastly, the people with OF accounts are also regular people, and often just trying to get off as well.