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so why are you arguing with me?
hard disagree. it would have stopped. maybe somebody would have dug it up later and started it back up, but it would have stopped.
I met them. their grandchildren and great children, at family reunions. they worked hard to craft and propagate these myths. they were proud of it. expected their grandchildren to keep it up.
now, me noping out isn't so much fix as those first couple generations did damage, abd that's why I think they should have been killed. every single one.
I was agreeing with you. I added my two cents.
People who weren't Nazis knew what fascism was. Fascists wrote books and gave speeches. Fascism would still exist in peoples' minds as a concrete idea that can be communicated to other people even if no Nazis survived the war.
People who didn't own slaves spread the myth as well. Killing entire families of slave owners would not have stopped this.
The fascists and confederate sympathizers of today aren't necessarily direct biological descendants of those in the past. They are ideological descendants.
read and respond to this. read and fucking respond to this please.
propagated it, but somebody had to do the initial push, and in telling you, from my own family, they're proud of the major push and consensus manufacturing they accomplished, even well into the 20th century. this is not hypothetical, this is literally what I have seen and heard them admit to me and noticed them try to push me to continue the tradition. this is what happened, and open historical documents noting membership in the early kkk and dotc support it.
this happened. it was real. it likely still is real. atop denying history to spare fucking Nazis.
and its not just here. the old Italian fascists were mentors of the current Italian fascist leaders, including Mussolini's family. the places the rat lines lead to tended to have fascist coups during the 20th century. modi's explicitly fascist RSS (currently doing a genocide) was founded as a stay-behind by Nazi agents in the 30s.
kill. more. fucking. Nazis. all of them. kill all the Nazis. every single fucking one, or it will happen again. and again. and again.
Fascism doesn't stop until everyone internalizes that fascism is a terrible ideology. And then keeps teaching that to new generations.
Killing people won't kill their ideas. The myth of lost cause would still have been spread by non-slave owners. It just would have taken longer. People don't have to directly learn about fascism from a 20th century fascist to become fascists. Even if every living Nazi, fascist, and confederate sympathizer dropped dead right now we would run into this problem sooner rather than later. Ideas and information are freely available on the internet. They circulate faster than ever before. If we don't defeat these ideas then we will keep having this problem no matter how many people die.
it would have taken longer and killing slavers is no great loss. I also think it would have been less coherent and less awful, it wouldn't have had money behind it, it would have been less sticky. I'm not sure it would have survived.
so theres a benefit but no down side to killing every last one.