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China is helping Russia ramp up its defense industrial base at such a large scale that Moscow is now undertaking its most ambitious expansion in military manufacturing since the Soviet era as it continues its war against Ukraine, according to senior Biden administration officials.

The support China is providing includes significant quantities of machine tools, drone and turbojet engines and technology for cruise missiles, microelectronics, and nitrocellulose, which Russia uses to make propellant for weapons, said the officials.

Chinese and Russian entitles have also been working jointly to produce drones inside of Russia, one of the officials said.

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[-] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago

We have to start understanding that Russia and Iran backed by China are fighting a war against the west. We got to understand that all what is happening now is not a coincidence. China has been step by step showing its colors. This could be the 21st century version of the axis in the 1940s and ppl need to wake up because what might be now far from my bed show, could change over the next few years.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Decades of propaganda to divide the West have already been part of the war effort, and seems like it worked. There is a reason Russia meddled in US election, and why it finances EU right-wing parties and organizations.

This is the cold war pt. 2, which might turn into WW3 if we are unlucky. The EU might step up in the long term, but in the short term it all depends on the US. If they take a step back from the world stage in the next few years, we will lose.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

This war is also being waged through psyops programs, or "hybrid" warfare", where most who are compromised haven't a clue that they have been owned by the adversary. The Republican party and right wing news are prime examples.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

You know Russia and Israel are on good terms right? The facts are that Israel refused to sanction Russia even after they invaded Ukraine. Netanyahu also refused to send arms to Ukraine citing the potential for them to end up in Iranian hands. This is less surprising if you know that about a fifth of Israel’s population are Russian speakers and as a result the countries maintain close ties.

If you really think Iran, Russia, and China are part of some axis of evil then you’re living in a Bush era fantasy realm. When you’re not steeped in propaganda, it’s easy to see that they’re all just trading partners with a limited set of mutually aligned interests.

[-] Adm_Drummer@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago
[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Thank you! I totally forgot that easily verifiable facts are actually just propaganda when Adm_Drummer says so. I’ll be more careful next time.

[-] copd@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Don't worry, our military leaders have known this for multiple decades. The public (you) is only just finding out now

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

”a war against the west”

A war against capitalism and American Imperialism.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"war against capitalism"

Don't fool yourself into believing China is communist though. At this point they're just a different flavor of capitalism.

My Chinese history professor said that every citizen is a good member of the communist party, and every smart citizen buys and sells at the Shanghai stock exchange.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago
[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Building a cryptofascist empire will turn into a luxurious fully automated communism with a push or a button surely any day now...

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Wrong:

According to Xi, "the consolidation and development of the socialist system will require its own long period of history... it will require the tireless struggle of generations, up to ten generations."

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, a convenient excuse. There's no evidence of such and belief doesn't cut it

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

There’s plenty of evidence that they are doing what they said they would do. They just plan long term instead of the fiscal quarters we do here in the West:

China's Xi promises a nationalized scientific and high-tech industry amid chip bans

They can nationalize any industry, any sector of their economy, at any time.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

The people today kinda live in a temporary fascism with the promise that some day some future generation might live in a garden of Eden

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Think about it. If 1.4 billion people were starving and unhappy, don’t you think there would be wall to wall coverage on the evening news? China has problems like any other country, but they managed to lift their people out of poverty and industrialize. Hate them all you want, it doesn’t make a difference to them.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I have no hate, I can't personally have any agency. It's the hypocrisy we recognize

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

How do you know it’s hypocritical if you don’t know what the ten affirmations are, what the 14 commitments are, and what the 13 achievements are? You know nothing of Xi Jinping Thought other than what you’ve heard from capitalist driven media.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

China doesn’t claim to have a communist economic system though. They understand perfectly well that they have a market economy. Their rationale for this apparent contradiction is that they believed they couldn’t grow quickly enough in isolation. They thought that by building a market economy they could trade with the western world and therefore rapidly develop. I think that gambit has clearly paid off. It’ll be interesting to see what decisions China makes once their economy is strong enough that the US cannot legitimately threaten it.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

So what communist system do they have? Control of idiots? I'm genuinely confused when I encounter "china communism" discussions as it always turns into shrodinger's semantics.

I think China has been very clear with their image projection: it's a totalitarian regime that only cares about Han chinese.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They don’t have a communist system. As I said, they don’t claim to have one either. It’s not Schrödinger semantics. They do want to build a post scarcity society where every person is given the resources they need to thrive, aka communism. During the Mao era they thought they could achieve that through revolutionary fervor. After the failure of many of Mao’s campaigns they turned towards a model that prioritized economic growth. That meant they were willing to leverage a market economy for however long it was useful.

You can just go and read their self assessment on past actions and their development plans. They aren’t shy about it and there’s no real indication they’re lying about their intentions. They’re pretty explicit about why they think maintaining the political supremacy of the CPC is important.

They also don’t put out any statements to indicate they believe in Han supremacy. That’s honestly silly to me especially when you consider the vast ethnic and cultural diversity that’s contained within the Han ethnic group. The CPC is however very concerned about maintaining national integrity which means they do suppress independence movements within the country. That goes for both ideological movements such as the protests in Hong Kong and Taiwanese independence or ethnic movements as in Tibet and Xinjiang.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 14 points 10 months ago

In support of (drumroll) eastern capitalism and eastern imperialism.

You can't have the moral high ground and also be playing the same shitty game with the same shitty tactics.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Don’t say I didn’t try:

Special economic zones (SEZs) in mainland Chinaare granted more free market-oriented economic policies and flexible governmental measures by the government of China, compared to the planned economy elsewhere.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

🤣 weird, that's exactly what I would say..

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Nice. You got me.

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