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submitted 10 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

A man stabbed six people to death at a busy Sydney shopping center Saturday before he was fatally shot, police said, with hundreds fleeing the chaotic scene, many weeping as they carried their children. Eight people, including a 9-month-old, were injured.

New South Wales police said they believed a 40-year-old man was responsible for the Saturday afternoon attack at the Westfield Shopping Centre in Bondi Junction, in the city’s eastern suburbs and not far from the world-famous Bondi Beach. They said they were not able to name him until a formal identification had taken place but that they weren’t treating the attack as terrorism-related.

The man was shot dead by a police inspector after he turned and raised a knife, New South Wales Assistant Police Commissioner Anthony Cooke told reporters.

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Automatics are stupid hard to shoot accurately.

I can't even...

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Why because you don't know whats the difference between semi-automatic and automatic?

Automatics are designed to keep enemies suppressed, because of the level of accuracy they have.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 10 months ago

What level of accuracy do you need when you’re within a few feet?

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Ask the gang bangers in inner cities. Tons of giggle switches out there, but their homicide rate has dropped. Pointing to a lack of accuracy.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago

Wait, your argument is that these things are so inaccurate that within stabbing distance they still miss their target?

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Yup, injuries have climbed but deaths have dropped.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/21/chicago-glock-switch-lawsuit/

The 41-page complaint details dangerous and deadly incidents involving modified Glocks on the streets of Chicago in recent years, including police officers with department-issue Glock pistols facing off against criminals with machine-gun power. Bystanders and buildings have been struck by the bullet spray of modified Glocks, which cause a recoil that is difficult for unskilled or inexperienced users to control, the complaint alleges.

Even Chicago's own lawsuit details how inaccurate they are.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's specifically citing modified handguns, which are not designed for automatic fire in the first place. An automatic rifle, with a stock and grip, is way more controllable than a fucking handgun doing something it wasn't designed to do without also adding stocks and grips.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Really that's your go to?

The Glocks are %100 designed for automatic fire, a lower is all that changes it when you have a legal automatic firearm.

On top of that, the last time an automatic rifle was used was during the LA bank robbery. Rifles are rarely used in homicides, and automatic rifles are basically never used.

You have a really bad understanding of firearms and statistics for them.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 18 points 10 months ago

Okay this is a blatant disregard for correlation vs causation, with a side of no shared data to boot.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/21/chicago-glock-switch-lawsuit/

The 41-page complaint details dangerous and deadly incidents involving modified Glocks on the streets of Chicago in recent years, including police officers with department-issue Glock pistols facing off against criminals with machine-gun power. Bystanders and buildings have been struck by the bullet spray of modified Glocks, which cause a recoil that is difficult for unskilled or inexperienced users to control, the complaint alleges.

Even Chicago's own lawsuit details how inaccurate they are.

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-shootings-crimes-crime/14254533/

CPD said there were 617 murders in Chicago last year, down from 709 in 2022.

Enjoy your data.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Inaccurate, but it doesn't say anything about less lethal.

Bystanders and buildings have been struck by the bullet spray of modified Glocks

You are once again assuming that the individual is aiming at particular targets, but instead they're in a shopping center with strangers.

Finally, even with your provided one year of data, it's correlation vs causation.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Uhh why would it magically be less than lethal? It's still a firearm...and no the data is showing this throughout all the innercities where gang violence is high.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 6 points 10 months ago

To put it succinctly, just because you can't hit your intended target with an automatic firearm doesn't mean the danger goes away - oftentimes bystanders get hurt, which is mentioned in the quote you brought up.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I didn't say it did anywhere. I have stated multiple times that the odds of being killed by someone spraying into a crowd is lower than someone actively aiming at you.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There's a nuanced difference between odds of being someone being killed by x versus y, and the number of deaths resulting from x vs y.

My hunch is that spraying into a crowd with an automatic results in more deaths at a faster rate than someone actively aiming, but quite frankly my personal belief is that having a knife severely limited the number of deaths when compared to any firearm.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

https://lemmy.world/post/14304481

Last night, gang hit, 1 dead 8 injured, drive by. Glock with giggle switch %100 was used. I'm not saying automatics aren't deadly, I'm saying most cannot properly use them to the point of making them deadly.

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