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Removed for genocide denial.
Article 2 of the UN's Genocide Convention defines it like this:
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
"Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
a) Killing members of the group;
b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Note: "Any of the following acts". Israel is now 5 for 5.
So by that definition palestine committed genocide against Israelis on Oct 7th?
I guess in a way, yes. But there is more context about the oppressed and the oppressors needed imo.
Well when do you start? When the Romans oppressed the Jewish people and conquered Jerusalem in 70A.D?
To add insult to injury, they gave Judea the name of Israel’s ancient enemy, the Philistines. The Arabic form of the name is Palestine.
Both sides have been the oppressors at one point or another, fighting over their perceived holy land.
what's the logical conclusion of your point here?
cool, i'm going to go to your house and squat in your backyard with a questionable document that says i have the right to be there. then, i'll start expanding into the structure of your home by destroying key areas. then, i'll start taping out walkways through your home you will not be allowed to use. if any member of your family attempts to stop this i will use my extensive military might to kill them.
this process will continue many decades. feel free to go with the flow.
you can keep self sucking all you want; it's a genocide. eat me.
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They're going after Hamas and there's been collateral damage, such happens in every war. If they wanted to commit genocide, why wouldn't they just carpet bomb the place instead of sending in leaflets to warn people to leave and even risk the lives of their own troops? By your definition, Hamas is also committing genocide against the Israelis.
Sorry, "collateral damage" wasn't a good enough excuse for the US military and it's definitely not a good enough excuse for the Israeli military either. The US struck a hospital in Kunduz fully aware of what it was and it caused enough of an incident that several coalition nations pulled out of Afghanistan rather than be involved. The US very nearly lost a LOT of its allies over that, and that was AFTER extensive investigation and compensation. Why should we hold Israel, a first-world military by any metric, to a lower standard than how we hold our own army?
If you see a hospital is being used as a military staging area, you don't just level the goddamn place. You don't say "well they COULD HAVE been there" (by the way, that's the exact same justification for the Kunduz airstrike). You don't look at it and say "well collateral damage and all". You rework your plan. You find a way to minimize casualties, whether that's a strike team or simply bypassing that target entirely because it's way too risky to civilians. It's a HOSPITAL, you can't say "you need to evac because we're bombing this place" - there are people who are too sick to move, equipment that CAN'T, and it'd be a huge operation to move everyone in a hospital on 24 hours' notice.
As to "why aren't they just carpet bombing the place", it's because half of the reason for this genocide is lebensraum - you'll notice that there's been a decent number of Israeli real estate firms that have caught flak for selling land in newly-emptied Gaza areas.