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[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

Pay people more? No, no, bring in cheap labour from overseas!

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 7 months ago

That is fair, too, Germany's minimum wage is €12 which is slightly more than half of their neighbouring Switzerland's 23 CHF per hour. I bet tons of people would be willing to drive a tram if they payed more.

That said, I don't think it's nice to refer to immigrants as "cheap labour from overseas" especially when the alternative is literally children.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago

That said, I don’t think it’s nice to refer to immigrants as “cheap labour from overseas”

Do you think the ruling class see it as anything other than?

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 7 months ago

The ruling class of Germany...? The fuck? On every democracy index Germany places 14th or higher.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

And?

You think you don’t have career politicians, billionaires, lobbyists, and backroom deals?

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

Germany on-budget allocation is 477 Bn Euros and their off-budget special funds are 869 Bn Euros, as long as people vote for who is in power then German Billionaires are far below them on the food chain.

Do I think backroom deals occur? Yeah, enough to put them at #14 in the democracy index instead of #1. That's what that number means, how compromised they are on a scale. The German ruling class are the average people.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

According to this, my country, Australia is tied with 14th and 100% there is a ruling class who favour corporate lobbying and billionaires over everyone else.

This ranking means jack shit. The only way you’re not going to have a ruling class is to be a true democracy, a direct democracy, and not have a class of people dedicated to leading for you. Anyone else is too easily and systematically bought out.

I entirely reject your premise that being 14th in a democracy ranking means you don’t have a ruling class.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

That's because Australia is lower than Germany on that particular list. Australia has a massive corruption ring particularly in NSW, but they also have housing projects, single-payer medical, and full subsidized higher education degrees.

TBH I agree they should be ranked lower, they've been declining in the score given by Economist Intelligence Unit since 2012, I expect their score will continue to decline in 2024's rankings.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It’s 12 and 14, barely a difference.

Stop being so delusional about your country.

You had corrupt politicians selling masks during Covid and getting kickbacks, you allow politicians to also be lobbyists, that’s institutionalised corruption.

62% of Germans feel government corruption is a big problem in your country.

https://www.transparency.org/en/gcb/eu/european-union-2021

You have a ruling class and you’re burying your head up your arse to pretend you don’t.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

Only 44% of Chinese are worried about Corruption, are you saying that means China has a more functioning democracy than Germany?

[-] jose1324@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago
[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

Lol you are very naïve

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