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[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago

You're making a false equivalence. Musk is scared about losing more of his money. People here seemingly don't like Meta and don't want it to infest lemmy. Those aren't even close to being the same.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Or, Muskā€™s actions could be in line with protecting free speech. I mean, thatā€™s the fear we have of Meta here: that it will destroy this space and silence voices.

So if (a) Musk claims heā€™s protecting free speech, and then (b) takes actions consistent with that view, then thereā€™s no opening to make an argument of the form ā€œMust claims X but does Yā€, when Y could be interpreted as a manifestation of goal X.

[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago
[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Well what I said was:

  • Musk claimed to be working to protect free speech
  • Muskā€™s actions are consistent with that goal
  • If fighting Meta isnā€™t consistent with that goal, then why are we fighting Meta?
[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

No they aren't? He's trying to save himself from losing billions more dollars. It has nothing to do with free speech. As the other poster stated, it's about perceived IP theft.

Assuming 'we' is lemmy, Musks motivation is complete different, aka money. You restating the point you tried to make doesn't give it any more credence.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Did you notice the phrase ā€œis consistent withā€?

How do you suppose that differs in meaning from a phrase like ā€œallows us to conclude thatā€?

[-] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

But his actions aren't consistent with anything having to do with protecting freedom of speech. So you saying "is consistent with" is irrelevant.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Premise 1: Fighting the enemy of a person, group, or thing can be a way of protecting that person, group, or thing.

Premise 2: Meta is an enemy of free speech.

Conclusion 1: Fighting Meta can be a way to protect free speech. ( P1 + P2 => C1 )

Premise 3: When a specific action can be used as a way of creating a specific outcome, we can say that that action is consistent with having the goal of creating that outcome.

Conclusion 2: Fighting Meta is consistent with having the goal of protecting free speech. ( C1 + P3 => C2 )

Premise 4: Initiating a lawsuit against X is a way of fighting X.

Conclusion 3: Anyone engaged in a lawsuit with Meta is undertaking actions consistent with having the goal o protecting free speech. ( C2 + P4 => C3 )

Premise 5: Elon Musk is engaged in a lawsuit with Meta.

Conclusion 4: Elon Musk is behaving in a way consistent with having the goal of protecting free speech. ( C3 + P5 => C4 )

QED

Now, I you can take this argument down by knocking out any of the premises. It relies on all five premises. You can also disagree with the logical conclusions.

I would be curious to know what you think is the weakest of those premises.

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