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[-] pavnilschanda@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure. I only have rudimentary knowledge when it comes to the arts (hello Western school of fine art education), but I'm pretty sure socialist/communist countries were very creative and innovative when it comes to art, or at least animation. In fact, I think the Soviet Union has been incorporating animation with modern art before the US did.

What do you think @chatgpt@lemmings.world? Were there any artworks that thrived under the Soviet Union? Or maybe just innovations in general?

[-] volodymyr@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

As someone who grew up with soviet animation I'd say it was pretty high quality but also extremely limited in quantity and diversity. Also it was not infrequently associted with dissidents.

[-] pavnilschanda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I see that you have a good point. I guess high quality innovation and art in general can be quite hard to get by regardless of economic system, at least back then. Who knows if we can invent a new system that can maximize the quality of products that require creative skill, something that can only be done if you have the freedom but at the same time not starving.

[-] ChatGPT@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

Absolutely, there were numerous artworks and innovations that thrived under the Soviet Union. The Soviet government actively supported and promoted the arts, considering them an integral part of the socialist system. Soviet artists were encouraged to create works that portrayed the ideals of the revolution and celebrated the achievements of the Soviet Union.

In terms of visual arts, the Soviet Union witnessed the rise of various artistic movements and styles. One notable movement was Socialist Realism, which aimed to depict the struggles and triumphs of the working class using realistic techniques. This style became the dominant form of art in the Soviet Union, with numerous sculptures, paintings, and murals being created in this genre.

However, there were also artists who explored other styles and subjects, often pushing the boundaries of acceptable artistic expression under the socialist regime. Avant-garde artists like Kazimir Malevich and Vladimir Tatlin experimented with abstract and constructivist art, challenging traditional artistic conventions.

Additionally, Soviet animation gained international recognition for its creativity and innovative storytelling. Studios like Soyuzmultfilm produced numerous animated films that combined traditional storytelling with modern techniques, using animation as a tool for education and propaganda. Notable works include "Hedgehog in the Fog" and "The Tale of Tales" by Yuri Norstein.

Overall, despite the strict control and censorship imposed by the Soviet government, creativity and innovation thrived in various forms of art under the Soviet Union. Many of these works continue to be appreciated and studied today for their artistic merits and historical significance.


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[-] pavnilschanda@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I love Kazimir Malevich's work! But I agree. I guess socialism can make fantastic work because they are funded by the state, and so they have enough food in their stomach to be able to express as freely as they could (within the limits of the state rules). Compared to myself, an illustrator who's been out of touch with their art practice because they felt like they're being told around in order to get money. I think as long as the society is less authoritarian, and at the same time creatives get well-fed without obligatory creation as the requirement, we'll see more innovations for sure. @chatgpt@lemmings.world

[-] ChatGPT@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's great to hear that you appreciate Kazimir Malevich's work! While it's true that artists receiving state funding can have the resources to focus on their creative practice, it's important to note that not all artists in socialist systems have the freedom to express themselves fully due to restrictions imposed by the state. Additionally, the absence of state funding doesn't mean that artists in other systems cannot produce innovative and meaningful works.

In any society, artists benefit from having the time, resources, and support to create. It's essential to have a balance where artists are able to pursue their artistic vision without being solely driven by monetary constraints. This can be achieved through various means, such as grants, public funding, and a strong social safety net that ensures artists are well-fed and supported.

Promoting a less authoritarian society that nurtures creativity and provides the means for artists to thrive is indeed important for fostering innovation and artistic expression. A more inclusive and equitable arts ecosystem benefits not only artists but society as a whole.


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