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Lemmy.ml is acting as a proxy instance for Hexbear and should be defederated by any instances that defederate from Hexbear (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 8 months ago by ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It's absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn't be allowed to continue.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Lemmy.ml is not only a massive instance, it is also the original and core lemmy instance. Widespread defederation would be like a nuclear bomb to the lemmy platform.

Some people have developed alternatives in the threadiverse like kbin or piefed. If lemmy.ml is truly too far aflight for users to tolerate, it seems likely that alternative platforms will fill in the gaps. For now, lemmy is still a thriving and growing platform.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago

Widespread defederation has been the norm, though. It has always been a thing, and many threads exist going back and forth on mutual defederation for ages.

And also, the only reason I'm on Lemmy.world and not .ml is precisely because of their moderation and their community. I'm the example you're talking about.

I say bite the bullet and break the cord already. This is not the first or only thread calling for defederation of Lemmy.ml.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

What I'm saying is that this is a unique instance. I also think that for my purposes, .world is a much better option, and I think that for most people, it's a much healthier and more stable place. I'm just not sure that the rest of lemmy can survive without .ml - It is literally where the development of the platform happens.

What do you do when you have defederated from the developers of the platform you're using? How do you have a working relationship to meet users needs? Someone will say just fork it, but that's essentially the same as launching a new platform. As I mentioned, others have done exactly that, partly for technical reasons relating to the vision of what the platform should be, but also for political reasons.

I'm not advocating for anything, i'm simply stating some of the realities of the platform we are using.

[-] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 35 points 8 months ago

It's not thriving. The devs are prickly arseholes, which is anathema to building a cooperative, volunteer-driven dev community and the tone of many mainstream communities is obnoxiously set by tankies amd their alts.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Probably one of if not the biggest reasons people had poor experiences on Lemmy before was because they signed up on Lemmy.ml

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

LOL this was me. I thought it would be cool to be on the DEV instance and didn't know that it had a whole lot of other baggage on it.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

It would've been me too, but when I started looking at Lemmy the dev's instance was closed along with many others, so the first one was Lemmy.world for me. While Lemmy.world has its flaws it's still way better than ml, really dodged a bullet there.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

You were lucky. I got in right before the Reddit exodus, so I guess I got in before they closed things down.

[-] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 12 points 8 months ago

What have they done to prevent a cooperative, volunteer driven dev community?

My experience contributing to lemmy was not bad, albeit it was pretty small thing.

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 8 months ago

If instances can participate in asymmetric information warfare without reprisal, the Lemmy experiment has failed.

[-] good_girl 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is the biggest fucking loser nerd shit i've ever read on this site lmfao.

Go outside and touch grass

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

If that's what it takes I'm ready to switch to a new platform today. Let's fork and make something healthy.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

You might also be interested in checking out kbin, mbin, SubLinks (under development), or PieFed. they each emerged for the reasons we are talking about. They are all free to try and AFAIK interoperable with lemmy for the time being.