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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by xfreed@sh.itjust.works to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

UBI is implemented tomorrow. Every citizen gets $1000 per month.

Landlord now knows you have an extra $1000 that you never had before. Why wouldn't the landlord raise prices?

Now you have an extra $1000 a month and instead of eating rice and beans for a few meals you go out to a restaurant. The restaurant owners know everyone is eating out more so why not raise prices and maximize shareholder profit as always. The restaurant/corporation is on TV saying, "well, demand increased and it is a simple Economic principle that prices had to increase. There's nothing we can do about it".

Your state/country has toll roads. The state needs money for its deficit. UBI is implemented and the state/country sees it as the perfect time to incrementally raise toll prices.

Next thing you know UBI is effectively gone because everything costs more and billionaires keep hitting higher and higher all time net worth records.

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[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 16 points 9 months ago

This seems like it's the only way it would work.

Everyone gets a certain amount a month.

You get taxed a certain amount back depending how much you make above some threshold. The average wage could be good.

So now the high earners are funding the system. But if they get sick and can't work the tax goes away but they're still getting that base payment automatically.

Low earners get help and high earners get a safety net.

[-] marzhall@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

This is the "Negative Income Tax", popularized by famously conservative Federal Reserve chair Milton Friedman as the approach to community support that best meshed with supply/demand.

[-] catsup@lemmy.one 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That sounds really good for the low-earners, but what incentive is there to become a high-earner in such a system?

What incentivizes growth and development in such an environment?

[-] marzhall@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

A negative income tax system has the same incentive as our current bracketed tax system to earn more money: for every dollar you earn, even if a higher percentage gets taken out on that next dollar, you still have more money now.

It just shifts our brackets down so that you get "negatively taxed" - given money - for the lowest brackets of income. But a person making $100k would still be given say $15k for the first $10k of their income, $5k for next $10k, taxed at 9% for the next $10k, 20% the following $10k, so on and so forth - so that every dollar they make still means more money in their pocket, it's just a percentage less for the additional dollars as they move brackets. Considering that's already how it works, it seems no incentive changes would arise for high earners.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Firstly the safety net it provides.

Then it all comes down to how much you are taxed back and the threshold. Most high earners wouldn't notice it. And they would have had the payment until they started earning high.

You or your partner could stay at home with the children, your kids would get money, you can get sick without worrying about money, it helps everyone.

High earners already pay higher taxes. So it's no different then now.

If your argument against it is "what about selfish rich people" then I would say fuck em.

There's also a large saving made in managing social benefits, which could result in lower tax overall.

Most people want more than the bare minimum so most people would still work. But everyone being able to afford food and shelter is a good place to start.

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