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I question if cutting them off would actually hurt them that much. Like, it would hurt, but not in a project-ending way. It's far better IMO to use the prospect as encouragement for them to not be openly disruptive in the future.
Hurting Meta shouldn't be the goal. Not providing direct access for Meta tentacles to the userbase should be.
Hmm. Are you worried more about our data being used, or us being lured into a proprietary service?
I won't kid myself that our data will be used either way. What I'm concerned about the most might be the negative attention that Meta will bring to federation. I have little doubt government regulation and strangulation will follow.
If my understanding is correct, it also means that other instances will be footing part of the bill and doing the legwork to propagate and extend Meta's spiderweb?
Yeah, I don't actually know the details about how Threads is supposed to work. I should look into it.
I'm guilty as well.
One thing that did occur to me just now, is how Meta's current platforms are the focus of gov pressure to censor free speech and thought crime, under the guise of public safety. What happens when this new platform federates? I think it'd be naive not to expect that stink to follow it. I have a sneaking suspicion Meta will filter content that doesn't adhere to their own TOS, so does the blame shift to the rest of the fediverse?
Lots of open questions, but the whole thing stinks, IMO.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I do understand where you're coming from-- I just think that it's more parts optimistic than realistic.
If federation takes off even the government won't really be able to gently censor it, though. They might stomp and complain but short of breaking down a server room door there's little they can do, and the only things that get that treatment right now in the West are child porn and stolen credit card numbers.
They could basically close off the internet like Cuba or to a much lesser degree China, but closed internets/intranets tend to suck, and then they're in the awkward position of either rubber-stamping adult websites or banning them, which straight up won't fly anytime soon.
The only thing it could hurt is us, if everyone defederates people on threads won't even have a chance to be exposed to other parts of the fediverse, making it even easier for Meta to execute EEE
Exclusion breeds interest. Nobody cares about going to Mcdonald's but there's years long waiting lists for multi Michelin star restaurants.