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• Concerns rise as Neuralink fails to provide evidence of brain implant success, raising safety and transparency questions.

• Controversy surrounds Neuralink's lack of data on surgical capabilities and alarming treatment of monkeys with brain implants.

• While Neuralink touts achievements, experts question true innovation and highlight developments in other brain implant projects.

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[-] protist@mander.xyz 229 points 1 year ago

Imo Musk is going to struggle in this space. He's no stranger to opening companies in highly regulated industries, but the medical device industry is a whole different level. The government can easily prevent him from selling anything if his company isn't forthcoming with data, and if he starts mutilating people, civil courts aren't going to care if they signed a waiver if that waiver was signed based on false expectations built on incomplete or false data by the company

[-] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 171 points 1 year ago

Plus, he likes to pretend he's an expert on the industries of the companies he runs. That's already potentially dangerous with Tesla and Space X, but in this case his hubris is very directly dangerous to the people receiving his services.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Teslas are already directly dangerous to his customers but our society is numb to traffic violence so people don’t care as much as they should. But “full self-driving” has already killed people.

Edit: removed “a lot” because while I suspect it is true, it remains unproven.

But ~~“full self-driving”~~ false advertising has already killed a lot of people.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

Sure, that’s what I was referring to. But I’m realizing not everyone is as aware of the whole story here.

[-] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago
[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

Tesla’s secrecy around its safety data makes it hard to do a robust analysis but here’s a decent overview: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/

[-] redfox@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

What if we compare that to human related injuries?

I bet more people were killed by other human drivers today. Probably another right now...

I'm not excusing lack of tech safety, but I think there's a double standard not in context.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So I hear what you’re saying—what we really want to measure is deaths avoided versus those caused. But it’s a difficult thing to measure how many people the technology saved. So while I’m cognizant of this issue, I’m not sure how to get around that. That said, the article mentions that Tesla drivers are experiencing much higher rates of collisions than other manufacturers. There could be multiple factors at play here, but I suspect the autopilot (and especially Tesla’s misleading claims around it) is among them.

Also, while there may be an unmeasured benefit in reducing collisions, there may also be an unmeasured cost in inducing more driving. This has not been widely discussed in this debate but I think it is a big problem with self-driving technology that only gets worse as the technology improves.

[-] redfox@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I'm hoping though it progresses to the point that we can reasonably reduce vehicle related incidents.

Between drunk driving, texting, and generally not paying attention, I'd love more people using automated driving if it became statistically safer.

Some people are scared to fly even thought it's statistically safer. They don't want to be the rare happening. Unless Boeing, then check your doors...

Edit, I also agree you can't easily track or correlate things that didn't happen with all the factors here.

[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

That didn’t work out for Elizabeth Holmes either.

[-] pigup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Elon is a dirty manipulative liar out for power and all the money. It saddens me that there are people stupid enough to trust this guy with their bodies to let them implant a chip whose main purposed is to make him even richer.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

I think the government will be on his side

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