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the right wing ethos that boils my blood the quickest is when people drool out shit like 'play stupid games win stupid prizes' under a story about some guy getting brutally beaten by police for being at a protest or stealing a dvd
Right wingers say this about protestors or whistleblowers.
Left wingers say this about forced birthers or antivaxxers.
You with your amazingly void intellect: bOtH SiDeS
The left wing version is usually about people getting cancelled after saying unwoke things. And the phrasing they usually use is something along "Oh no! It's the consequences of my own actions!"
Getting fired from your job for calling someone the n word is not the same as getting beaten because a cop think you might have committed a crime
Do you really not understand the difference betweene me calling you an asshole, and being stalked by glowies?
That's not my point though.
I'm not trying to claim that the "consequences" are the same. The cancel culture thing is more than "being called an asshole" and can ruin or at least severely damage a person's career, but it's still not as bad as systematic persecution or abuse of power.
I'm not trying to claim that the "actions" are the same either. Mainly because I think it's futile - any internet discussion on that topic will be 100% political disposition and 0% actual attempt to analyze the severity of said actions.
I will mention though - risking that merely mentioning this will derail the entire discussion - that both you and @starman2112@sh.itjust.works have each elected to diminish one of these parameters ("calling you an asshole" vs ruining one's career, and "a cop think you might have committed a crime" vs exercising a politically controversial right). In both cases there was no need for that - in both cases the right-wing practice is worse than the left-wing practice even if you don't try to manipulate the argument. So why do it?
(this is more aimed at you than at starman. Like I said before - when it comes to the "actions" part, the political bias is very strong, and I can totally see how a conservative would claim that participating in a protest is worse than using racial slurs. Still - that's no excuse to use a strawman)
But the real point I was trying to make is about the sin shared by both left and right: trying to present the "stupid prizes" or "consequences" as an unavoidable law of nature, where it is in fact the intentional actions of humans trying to punish that behavior. If you think certain actions deserve punishment, stand behind this - don't try to disguise it as a "consequence". The punishment is derived from your beliefs, not from the laws of nature.
I mean, you just re-affirmed it is both sides. The difference is that you agree with one of the sides.
There's a fundamental difference between someone getting hurt trying to fight for their human rights, versus someone getting hurt fighting to take away other peoples human rights.
And they'd probably say the opposite is the case.
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I mean, isn't that what most sides say about their opponents? Or that they're evil
"Enlightened centrists" really have no ability to think, huh?
I'm not a centrist in any way
True – you're an astroturfing rightwinger presenting as centrist
No. I am a liberal, I've never said anything different since joining this site. I never presented myself as a centrist or astroturfed.
'murican can't understand the political spectrum. More non-news at 11.
I don't live in America
I never denied being right wing, I denied presenting myself as a centrist.
Right wing and left wing are not effective words for actual communication.
Why do you actively try to make other people who have done nothing to you unhappy?
That's irrelevant, as you are american, by your own admission. You can take a man out of the slums but can't take the slums out of a man sort of thing.
For communication with 'muricans, particularly those with regressivist tendencies, that's true. Then again, I'd rather talk to a literal snail. It'd be more intellectually engaging.
You stalked my profile. I am also Czech...
The purpose of language is to communicate, yeah if they mean different things to every other person on this site why not just not use the words?
So the answer to 4 is you enjoy it.
The difference is that one group is getting excessively hurt because of government response, which is something that can be changed through policy; while the other gets hurt by their own actions because they're fucking r******d and thought disregarding a pandemic was a good idea, not because of the response the government might take
Your disagreement can be justified, that doesn't make it not something said it by both sides.
They're referring to different things, plus when it's referred to disproportionate police action, it serves as justification for the police replying with illegal brutality, rather than investigating and punishing police officers who break the law
Yeah, again, they can be different levels of justified, there is still two sides doing it. Celebrating the death of someone evil vs celebrating the death of someone good is still celebrating someones death.
I have great news for you: advances in biomedicine project that you might be able to grow a brain in the next 50 years.
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That's cause Tucker and Ben are nazis you halfwit.
Heard it here first, folks! The problem with the left is how its impossible to tell if theyre joking or not when calling ppl nazis. reviews the super duper long list of times The Left TM has called someone a nazi for the lulz yup, seems legit!
Eta: formatting, clarity