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During a visit to lobby legislators on transgender issues, Senator Carden Summers (R) knelt down and told a child he would protect her. When he learned she was trans, he backed away.


On Feb. 6, a group of families met to lobby senators on issues affecting the local transgender community in Georgia. One mother, Lena Kotler, decided to take her two children with her to give the topic a human face. While waiting to meet with Democratic Sen. Kim Jackson, who they had heard was a big supporter of LGBTQ+ rights, another senator passed by — Republican Sen. Carden Summers, the primary sponsor of the state’s bathroom ban bill. Little did he know that one of the children he would be interacting with, Aleix, 8 years old, was a transgender child.

According to Kotler and other families who were present, the senator stopped to say hello. That’s when Kotler spoke to Senator Summers about how she was there with her kids to “talk to legislators about keeping her kids safe.” Although she did not mention that one of her children was trans, they were present with LGBTQ+ signage - something the Senator apparently missed when he knelt down in front of Aleix and said, according to Kotler, “Well you know, we’re working on that and I’m going to protect kids like you.”

Kotler then replied, “Yeah - Alex is trans, and she wants to be safe at school, she wants to go to the bathroom and be safe.”

That is when, according to multiple witnesses, Sen. Summers stood up and fumbled his words, repeating, "I mean, yeah, I'm going to make sure she's safe by going to the right bathroom," continuing to use the correct pronouns for Aleix. When asked if he would make her go to a boy's bathroom, he then allegedly backed away, saying, "You're attacking me," turned around, and walked off quickly.

read more: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/georgia-senator-vows-to-protect-girl?publication_id=994764&post_id=141716994

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[-] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 77 points 8 months ago

How can an 8 year old know if they are trans? That seems awfully young.

[-] Lumelore 45 points 8 months ago

I'm a trans woman and I started to express my self femininely when I was just a toddler. I grew up in a rural area where I was always told that I am a boy and that I will grow up into a man who will have a wife and many children. I genuinely had never heard of queer people until I was tween, when my peers started using gay as an insult. If I had been taught about queer people when I was a kid, I definitely would have realized that I am trans then, and I wish I had been because being raised as a boy when you are a girl is extremely traumatic.

People can be born with all sorts of strange and terrible conditions, but somehow there are people who think babies can't be born with a brain that is a different sex than their body. Either that or they think the body should take precedence over the brain which is insane considering only one of those is sapient.

[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Just out of curiosity, how does a toddler express either femininely or masculinely?

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Toddlers model behavior of the adults in their life. It can be as simple as whether they echo the behavioral quirks of the women more than the men, or vise versa.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Please be careful with this line of thinking, and don't push children into one direction or the other.

I spent more time in my early years with my mother due to my father traveling for work, so I naturally echoed her behavioral quirks more than his. I also showed a ton of interest in traditionally feminine toys and playsets. I had a baby doll and I'd play pretend parenting. I outright demanded a little play kitchen, back when all of them were clearly decorated/colored/coded "for girls". I wanted and they got me a barbie doll, and I played a shit ton of dress up. Never was one for rough and tumble play, sports, climbing trees, etc. More in touch with my emotions than my peers and not afraid to show them.

All that said, I've never had any issues with my own gender identity as a cis male. One of my earliest "writings" was "I'm going to be a dad" with a very scribbly drawing of a family.

There's another comment on this post about a mtf telling their parents that they were a butterfly and going to be a girl, at an early enough age that the commenter didn't remember saying it.

So kids can absolutely know, but we should be careful to never assume. If gender is a social construct, then we should also be working ourselves away from the idea that certain behaviors are masc or fem, not doubling down by saying they have any indication of a person's gender/potential to be trans.

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Masculine and feminine are useful concepts with long roots in every culture on earth. The problem is when people impose a positive or negative connotation to them. It should be considered normal and healthy for someone who identifies on the male side of the spectrum to exhibit feminine traits, and so on.

It's just a conceptual framework that simplifies understanding. Our problems arise when we oversimplify, and forget that it is just an artificial construct we made up to explain our world.

[-] Lumelore 8 points 8 months ago

I have a few memories from when I was somewhere between 2 and 4. One is of my sister getting some makeup (I think it was eyeshadow) for Christmas and I remember being very interested in it and trying to put it on.

Another is that I always loved hanging out in my sister's room and I remember liking to watch her put on nail polish and I would always ask her a million questions about it while she was doing it. I also liked playing with my sisters old toys more than some of my own. My parents got me toy cars, dinosaurs, and that type of stuff, which I did play with occasionally, but my most played with toys were my sister's old dolls.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Growing up with an older sister, I did much of the same stuff. I don't think those activities are limited to those that grow up to identify as "female". I think it's perfectly fine if an adult carries that over without having to declare themselves trans. Why shouldn't a "guy" get to like makeup and a bit more interesting clothes and like tallking to girls about stuff that "guys" don't talk about? If they think life is easier to go wholly into transgender once they tally up the totality of their existence, cool. But early life should be about flexibility and choices being open and not having to "pick a side".

[-] Lumelore 8 points 8 months ago

I mean, be who you want. You can totally be AMAB and feminine and not be trans. I'm not telling people to "pick a side" or anything, just because we share similar experiences and I'm trans and you're not (I assume), that doesn't invalidate your existence or anyone else's.

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