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France uncovers a vast Russian disinformation campaign in Europe::undefined

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[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 125 points 1 year ago

Disinformation or more accurately, lying, is Russian doctrine. Everything that they say seems to be a lie and designed to delay appropriate action.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 22 points 1 year ago

All sides are doing it in every war, be wary what you trust

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Of course. That's been true since the dawn of humanity.

Russia has a certain flavor of lying that I don't see elsewhere. They make claims that are so utterly ridiculous that everyone knows it is complete bullshit. It's like some weird gaslighting / dominance thing. Lavrov and Putin are pros at this.

Purely by coincidence, you see a similar technique employed by one of the two major US presidential candidates. Only his approach is to repeat the ridiculous lie enough times that some people believe it.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hitler described "große Lüge" in Mein Kampf in 1925.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Putin and Trump are both of course great admirers of this technique.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

And I have already seen some people advocating for Putin say that if you compare Putin with Hitler you've lost.

What this also implies is that the more one's actions resemble actions of Hitler the easier it would be to win over opponents in discussion because they will inevitably come up with this comparison

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

Once upon a time, in the early internet, invoking Hitler in an argument was always hyperbole and a sign you'd run out of arguments.

Those days are behind us.

[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Russia has a certain flavor of lying that I don’t see elsewhere. They make claims that are so utterly ridiculous that everyone knows it is complete bullshit. It’s like some weird gaslighting / dominance thing.

There is one other place I do see this strategy replicated, which is from the IDF.

[-] kwozyman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago
[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Now do the CIA

[-] maorofl@lemy.lol 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How is it worse than, for example, the US military deception doctrine? Would, say, Romania, be somehow above using military deception? What about NATO deception doctrine?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

How about instead of linking to documents you do the analysis yourself.

But to spare you the burden: Remember when Bush came clean and said that all those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were a lie? And how that didn't go down well with the west, and how many western countries already called bullshit before the US even invaded? That kind of stuff is doctrine in Russia, not just in the military but also when it comes to securing regime power internally. It's how Putin won his first election, by blowing up apartment buildings and blaming it on Chechens. Another important thing is to tell so many lies and contradictory things that the very notion of truth gets demolished, that people throw up their hands and say "I'd rather be apolitical than try to figure out what's what".

Western military deception OTOH is more of the "blink right, turn left" kind, it's about anticipating the opponent's analysis of the situation and exploiting that, either by feint or because they have a blind spot. And even then you want to be careful because damaging trust is often worse than taking a hit you could've avoided with deception.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lying, is Russian doctrine

Its true. The entire Russian language is just a series of elaborate lies with grammar and syntax. It is impossible to say three consecutive true statements in a Slavic tongue.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That sounds more racist than true

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