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Israel appears to be in breach of ICJ orders on Gaza, senior UN official says.
(amp.theguardian.com)
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The ICJ also ordered Hamas to release all hostages, but never mind that...
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organization, under international sanctions. Nobody expects them to bow to UN pressure.
Israel is supposedly a responsible and law abiding nation state, with diplomatic ties, international recognition, and is expected to behave according to international law.
If you want equal treatment that can be done, the UN is repeatedly tired of Israel's behavior
But they're such good friends, they allow Hamas to build tunnels below UN HQ.
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1756369328184734024?t=x9wntjsdvZaM-H2Yt8eguw&s=19
Weird how the Israeli forces suddenly started finding all of these connections between UNWRA and Hamas hours after the ICJ ruled against them. Also weird that the IDF claims that anything set up to help Palestinian civilians, like UNWRA, hospitals, and refugee camps, are Hamas strongholds, but no one can ever verify these claims (usually because they been obliterated by Israeli air strikes).
Ah we've progressed to delusional conspiracy.
LOL, you are claiming the U.N. is in league with Hamas my guy, please get some perspective.
You can talk to the Wall Street Journal. They think the same thing. But, you can't even accept what your eyes see on video.
Well, I can't read most of the WSJ's coverage because it's behind a pay wall, but it's anything like the AP or Reuters coverage, it's going to say that these claims are only being made by the Israeli military and not independently verified (the opening paragraph of the WSJ coverage seems to line up with this). The AP even notes, "It did not prove definitively that Hamas militants operated in the tunnels underneath the UNWRA facility, but it did show that at least a portion of the tunnel ran underneath the facility’s courtyard." So, did the IDF show that Hamas was working with UNWRA, or did they show some journalists a tunnel near UNWRA building?
So you can't read it, but will tell me what it says? Pretty funny.
I can read the first paragraph, the rest is behind a pay wall. Have you never seen a pay wall? Here's the first sentence: "Hidden deep below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency for Palestinians here is a Hamas complex with rows of computer servers that Israel’s armed forces say served as an important communications center and intelligence hub for the Islamist militant group." My guess is, based on the fact that no news agency is verifying this claim, and the opening sentence of the WSJ coverage is citing Israeli claims, they also don't have any evidence besides the IDF's claims.
But why don't you tell me? You obviously read the entire article, or you wouldn't be referencing it. Does the WSJ have any independent evidence outside of the Israeli presentation show to the news agencies? What evidence is provided by the WSJ that is absent from the AP coverage I linked to? I mean, you must know, you did read the article, not just the headline, right?
Edit: Weird, this guy made 9 comments since I left this reply, including some trying to undermine the AP article I cited, but he hasn't responded to this. If I didn't know any better I'd swear he hadn't read that WSJ article.
Ah yes, an Israeli "AI expert" is really a reliable source of information in this conflict.
Denial is always the first refuge. It's predictable
Man, you really can't accept that you lost this argument and you keep parroting the same line.
I've lost some sort of competition you say? Shucks
You are making a fool of yourself.
Are you some kind of authority?
One doesn't need to be authority to see the obvious.
After so many people proving you wrong with facts and you were only repeating the same nonsensical lines without bringing anything new to the table that would support your point.
Multiple cuts to the video, no verification it is a UNRWA building, nothing linking the tunnel to the UN building is shown. Just talk
Do better, don’t swallow propaganda willfully
Denial. It's for lunch and dinner.
Yes. I’m denying the pathetic ‘evidence’ you tried to insert into the discussion, because it functionally proves nothing:
You keep offering these low effort drive-by claims, and reply with cheap arguments or retorts when challenged. There’s plenty that Al-Quassam and Hamas have done wrong, without inventing false narratives that lack evidence.
.There is a double down on denial.
offers dubious evidence
“Oh, so now you’re just deny deny deny, huh?! So typical!”
And the other option is…blind belief in unfounded claims? Here’s a suggestion: back up your claim. Don’t just chant “denial denial denial” like it’s actually an argument.
Yup, you just can't believe your lyin eyes. Can't trust them for sure.
I am sensing some denial here. I'm sure they just accidentally added cuts to the video, surely they wouldn't try to mislead people by fabricating evidence.
Why has there been zero independent verification if the IDF proof is so clear cut?
Hamas is not a part of the UN
Rulings for some, but not for others?
I mean yeah that’s how international conventions work. There’s not really a thing of “international law”, just a bunch of countries that have all agreed to abide by restrictions. If a country chooses not to follow an “international law”, all you can do is try to coerce them or invade.
And then complain about those that do follow the law and ignore those that don't. I see.
Also why they didn't rule for cease fire
Does anyone here actually consider Hamas anything other than a terrorist organization that got voted in in 2007 and then shut down election?
Did anyone here actually believe that Hamas were ever the good guys?
We used to think the Israelis weren’t on the same page, and we hope that they will eventually.
As much as we hate them right now, most of us still believe that they might be able to come back.
TLDR: False equivalency
I hate that election talking point. Hamas didn’t even win a majority — they won a plurality against split opposition with Fatah plagued by corruption scandals — and 65% the population was under 25 when this war started (so like unborn or not past third grade in 2007).
Probably pretty safe to assume 80% or so of current Gazans didn’t vote for Hamas.
Top tier whataboutism!
Oh sure. Whataboutisism is all you hear when you reference Hamas raping and murdering on October 7th.
That's litrerally whataboutism. You could use your comment as an excellent example of what whataboutism is.
Or maybe what hypocrisy is to those who I responded to.