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Sovereign citizen gives advice.
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WTF does "cause without dishonor or recourse to me" mean? It sounds like the words are all out of order lol
It's "hereby refused for cause,
Without dishonor or recourse to me."
As in, without it being a blemish on their reputation or action made against them.
As stupid as their argument and attempt are, that phrase made sense to me.
So in other words "I'm allowed to break the law with impunity and you can't ever say anything bad about me because I'm special"?
It's basically being told you owe money and in response saying, "Yeah no thanks on that debt. I refuse to accept it. But don't think less of me or let it affect anything else you're still doing for me or that I feel entitled to!"
And if that sounds completely ridiculous it's because it is.
I interpreted this as saying "I disagree with owing a debt and believe I'm entitled to refute it under the law so do not take this as an unlawful action". Kind of like pleading not guilty and demanding a trial instead of submitting or running away.
I think this is basically it. But they think that's the final word so get flustered when they respond with: "No you owe us the money".
They seem to believe that they can benefit from services without paying for them or following the law. Fundamentally I like the idea of being independent from the nation... But if you want to use their roads, shops, health services, etc you need to abide by their laws and terms. They think they can just say some magic words and now they don't have to. It's insanity. Very literally, they must have some notable mental health issues to think this is logical.
They are basically anarchists which I like, except they still subscribe to english common law or something. Anarchy means that any authority needs to be justified or justify itself or else be null and void. So I kind of agree with their philosophy, since democracy in the US is like a joke. It's really literally a plutocracy with some minor democratic impact.
Of course in the real world they are nuts of course and their tactics are silly. And they tend to have bad ideas otherwise too.
LPT: Mutter "without dishonor or recourse to me" intermittently all day so nothing bad happens to you ever.