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Is the bot/troll situation getting worse? (lemmy.giftedmc.com)
submitted 11 months ago by haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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It feels like the amount of both, divisive posts and ghoulish comments is rising again.

One could argue that the world has a lot of divisive stuff going on and lemmy just talks about it. But the way people post about stuff seems more oot and hateful than it has been in the past.

Not saying it is that but if I wanted to bring the Fediverse down or at least keep my customers from going there, I would sow this stuff as much as I can.

I'm blocking ghouls left right and center atm but if I ever asked a friend to join lemmy, I'd hate to think of what they would see that I dont anymore.

Do we need stronger moderation?

  • Maybe ban politics from c/memes?
  • Become a little more stringent on "dont be a jerk" rules in communities?

One thing that really bothers me is the collapsing "discourse". Trying to mend fences and keep the conversation between sides going ime leads to nothing but downvotes and shitstorm.

I feel like a little more interaction (instead of intervention, at first) of the moderators would do wonders there.

Thanks for reading this rant. Have a nice day.

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[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It's interesting right?

I'm thinking the architecture of the fediverse makes it particularly vulnerable to these sorts of attacks.

I'm pretty sure I've spotted bots circle jerking on some subjects also which makes me think there's a few different sources.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 11 months ago

Very interesting indeed.

I‘m starting to report, block and ban accounts from being viewed on my instance that use abusive language but from a systemic standpoint we should find a design solution to make this work.

Reddit had karma for this reason among others. People needed to make helpful contributions to prove they are able to function in the group.

For many reasons this is not implemented in the fediverse but a design solution would be good.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

If I was designing an anti troll/bot system I'd implement a few things. Let's call any bad actor on here a bot/troll or broll for ease.

  1. Reputation based posting isn't a bad idea if carefully done
  2. When a broll is banned any users from the same ip are flagged a suspect and a subsequent ban causes delayed posting from that ip. If a VPN the instance host list has the same effect applied. Exceptions based on Reputation.
  3. You can check if text is ai/llm generated and an automated api check before posting and immediate ban if found.
  4. Checks on if a user posts inhumanly fast or is oddly active etc would be sensible.
  5. Any broll system has to be adaptive and measures taken need to be kept secret (this post for example).
[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 11 months ago

Very good ideas! Any idea if something like this already exists? If not, shall we work on something? I have some experience in python if that helps.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Thanks but not sure what's currently implemented or even what the code base is written in 😅.

I might have a poke around and see if there's any low hanging fruit.

Call me crazy but with a 5b ipo about to start I'd be shocked if reddit wasn't paying some troll farms to brigade the fediverse and it'd be a shame if spez wins

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 11 months ago

Thats an interesting idea! Thank you very much for mentioning it!

We can absolutely write a bot in python and could try to use it like that. I already made a discord bot so this shouldn’t be brutally hard.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Awesome 👍 I'm more c#/Java, angular if there's anything I can contribute.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 11 months ago

Well, I do know some c# but not enough for it to be functional.

You could hit me up on github or pm here to get a repo set up somehere and go from there.

What do you think?

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I'm currently on holidays but that sounds great when I return. I might even get started early. Can you pm the details?

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 11 months ago

The other person we came across now tries to somehow discredit me. Whatever their plan is. Jeez.

Sure, I‘ll send you a pm. Have a nice vacation.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks. Yeah that was odd

[-] rimu@piefed.social 1 points 11 months ago

PieFed is an open source lemmy alternative (written in Python) that makes good use of karma/reputation, as shown in this video:

https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/system/media_attachments/files/111/648/646/494/228/522/original/02cb1b5182a1f9b6.mp4

Try the demo site at https://piefed.social and check out https://join.piefed.social. Also see https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta for recent feature announcements.

[-] Blaze@discuss.online 2 points 11 months ago

Thank you very much for sharing, I'll keep an eye on it.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 11 months ago

I‘m not searching for another thing to start but a way to make the current thing work. But thanks.

[-] Blaze@discuss.online 2 points 11 months ago

To be fair, Piefed uses Lemmy communities and comments, it's almost just another interface.

The reputation is indeed interesting, example in this thread with warnings "low reputation, beware!": https://piefed.social/post/27070#post_replies

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 11 months ago

Ah! Understood. Thanks for clarifying.

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