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"Poorer".
"Everyone".
You mean the wealthy wouldn't be as wealthy and everyone else would be subject to strict controls on energy, transportation, and meat consumption. Which describes the lives of our recent ancestors. Air conditioning and heating would be for survival, not comfort. Most people will depend on mass transit and not own cars. And meat becomes a treat you get every now and then. But dairy products and eggs will still be plentiful.
It's not like we're going to be eating peanut butter sandwiches and starving while working 3 part time jobs. Unless that's already your reality. Then it will likely still be your reality because capitalism.
The vast majority of humans could live a perfectly fine, alternative, lifestyle and the planet would be okay.
You missed the point entirely. We don't need to cut calories produced. The new arable land from not raising cattle and the turn of farm land from live stock feed to human feed will provide more than enough food.
This isn't a situation where we have to live in some dystopia, as long as we act now.
Why? Why would going green mean they can't grow food suddenly? What about coal power and cow farts means you can't grow corn?
Meat would get more expensive yes. But energy production is perfectly capable of switching over without a bump. And non meat farm products would actually become cheaper as supply increases. We're not magically causing a drought with such a changeover, at least not any extra ones.
You have yet to describe a mechanism by which their food prices would rise.
I've explained how food should remain available and well priced. All you've done is make general assertions. Hand waiving isn't going to to do it when we need to be acting.
Rght, because we're 5 years old and you know but you just need me to prove I know by saying it first right? It's just too big brain for someone conversant in international economics and politics. I understand, I'd need 10 Phds just to start getting your concepts.
Yes you're talking about a supply problem. The thing is I explained why there is not and will not be a supply problem in food. There are causes and effects, and while the price of something heavily restricted, (like meat), would rise, the cost of something produced more as a result will fall.
See? Economics 101 is easy to explain.
If you think the developing world is African tribes living in the hinterlands then sure. But no, they've got their food supply figured out. There's less than a million people on the planet at risk of starvation. And most of them are in Gaza right now. Figuring out food for the global masses is one of the achievements of our lifetime.
Stop looking at PR headlines from NGOs. Start looking at the IPC world map and the UN. There's literally 3 places on the planet where people are seriously dying from hunger, that's IPC level 5. Aid programs have a bad habit of including the entire population of anywhere IPC drops a note.
Places like the Sahel are having droughts or like in Bangladesh are having crops destroyed by historic floods while they soak in refugees from Myanmar. They receive food and support from the WFP. They make up 99 percent of the places IPC is tracking.
Those pressures aren't going away if we don't handle climate change. In fact they're going to get worse. Stopping the increase in climate change related events is a net positive in the food supply. Increasing arable land available is a net positive on food supply.
Finally, according to UNFAO, humanity produces enough food. We just need to get it to places when local production falters. Which again is generally related to climate change anyway.
This fake concern combined with a kid's attempt to appear smart is really grating. If we do nothing about climate change, including leaving ridiculous meat production levels in place, things get worse, not better.
Lmao. No. But you'd have to read more than a tweet's length to understand that.