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[-] protist@mander.xyz 52 points 9 months ago

These books are pseudoscientific bullshit, to be clear

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

Anything related to psychology and sociology is pseudoscience.

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 18 points 9 months ago

No, you're massively overgeneralizing. Freud is pseudoscience, but there's lots of very real studies especially around the 60s (before ethics were considered) that follow the scientific method and have real measurable outcomes and conclusions.

Don't be anti science. Science is a method, not a social club.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

There definitely is real, experimental psychology, but unfortunately the vast majority of psychology in the popular consciousness, and even in some academic / professional bodies, is modern-day phrenology. (Also I'd cut Freud some slack, since he was working based on the standards of his time.)

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Psychology from the 60s is unreplicatable just-so story trash. Some stuff being done in the last decade or two is starting to approach legitimacy, but I think we're still not really there yet.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 9 months ago

The only reason you think you have space to say that is because doing direct psychological experimentation on humans is extremely unethical

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The only reason I "have space to say so" is because it's not a science. Allowing whatever you mean by "direct psychological experimentation" wouldn't change that.

I'm not saying it's a field of study that isn't useful, but it's not science.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 11 points 9 months ago

That sound was a behavior analyst stabbing UndercoverUlrikHD in the spleen. I'm guessing you know absolutely nothing about the different fields within psychology, or even much beyond what you're exposed to in popular culture. Yet here you are, trying to redefine the scientific method to suit your feelings

[-] ZzyzxRoad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

I typed this whole comment about how and why sociology is a science, and realized they probably don't give a shit.

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You're absolutely right that I'm not an expert on neither psychology nor sociology. But I'm not basing my opinions on popular culture either. My opinions were mostly formed from years ago when I had to do a month research and write my exam in Examen Philosophicum during my study for a Master of Science, where I wrote about the history of scientific theory.

It was mostly when I read about Karl Popper and his criterion of falsifiability that I stumbled upon the "science" of psychology. Other than that, my impression of psychology mostly comes from living with a psychology student for three years and hearing about her studies.

A science without hard facts isn't much of a science from my point of view. You can't reproduce or simulate the minds of people thousands of times. There's so many variables factoring in when you're researching, or diagnosing. How do you separate the researcher's emotions and personal interpretation from the "objective" facts of a person's psyche.

@ZzyzxRoad@sh.itjust.works Implying I'm a troll isn't really a great form of argument. Feel free to type your whole comment again and I'll read it with an open mind.

@ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social I'm not trying to be anti science, I still think it's a worthwhile field of study, I just don't think it's fits the criteria of science. Feel free to show me wrong.