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Barbara on nextdoor on the 4th in America rule (media.kbin.social)

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[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Try to remember who earned that freedom

Go next door and knock and just let them know you are going to be setting off fireworks. It isn’t that hard to be nice

[-] MulhollandDr@lemmy.fmhy.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] gingersneak@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Imagine for a moment that you are a dumbass 17 year-old high school senior in 2002. Your grades are shit and you're just barely going to graduate. Many of your friends are excited about going to college, while you are pretty sure that working behind the counter at the local gas station is basically all you've got.

Suddenly, a wild recruiter appears! He has a cool looking uniform and people say "Thank you for your service" and he gets treated with respect wherever he goes. He says he's got a $30k signing bonus for you. He says you can choose whatever job you want, you don't have to go get shot at. He says in 4 years when you get out, you'll have skills and experience those college pussies won't, you'll get a good job and they'll bitch on the internet about working at Starbucks. He says you can even go to college if you want, Uncle Sam will pick up the tab and you can spend 4 years getting drunk and laid.

Would you go, as this dipshit 17 year-old?

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 10 points 2 years ago

You've got to think about this in the context of the time, too. This was actually almost exactly me - I graduated in 2002; I had fine grades, but this was immediately following 9/11, and the fact of the matter is that patriotism was being pushed hard from every angle. We were being fed propaganda from every media outlet. It wasn't just recruiters pulling the normal bullshit, they were using 9/11 to spin a narrative where the country is in danger and only we, as that time's 18 year olds - could possibly save it, and if we didn't enlist, we were basically personally responsible for whatever happened. That, on the backs of our parents' encouragement - you've got to remember that many of our fathers had fought in wars themselves, and many had glorified it in stories, and we were simply not equipped to look at any of it critically yet - made it very hard to say "No".

I enlisted; I spent 3 months in boot camp, 2 months of that with pneumonia and eventually they sent me home, and frankly I think that's the most fortunate thing that's ever happened to me. I wouldn't have been fighting - I would have been sitting behind a desk writing code - but I don't think that matters much in the end.

It's really easy for someone who wasn't in that position to say "Oh, yeah, anyone who falls for that is just stupid", but the fact of the matter is, propaganda is effective. That's why it continues to be used, all over the world, and at that particular time, the propaganda was driving patriotism and paving the way for military enlistment and the addition of laws that stripped away rights and made everyone think mass surveillance was good and necessary, and it did its job.

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 16 points 2 years ago

Blaming the soldiers is like calling up Verizon because your internet is out and yelling at the CSR you talk to like it's their fault. They (generally speaking) didn't ask to get sent to kill brown people for oil companies' profits.