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EVs don't fix congestion, don't fix particulates from tyres, don't fix tyre noise (which dominates above 30mph), don't fix crash deaths, don't fix road damage, don't fix energy usage and don't fix cars contributing to sedentary lifestyles.
Perhaps we should also be looking at some other solutions while we transition to from ICE vehicles EVs.
I think above point was that EV's aren't a cure all just because they run on electric instead of fossil fuels. They still have many of the same problems as regular cars so more should be done to get people on better modes of transport instead (e.g. trains, bikes etc).
Most trips aren't being taken by people carrying equipment to work. The good thing about promoting alternative methods of travel is that people who really need to drive (like yourself) aren't hindered by those only driving as it's the most convenient. Driving in the Netherlands is excellent partly because they have great cycling and public transport infrastructure.
You might find this video informative from Not Just Bikes about driving in the Netherlands - https://youtu.be/d8RRE2rDw4k?t=2m58s
According to the National Travel Survey 2021 only 3% of car trips are for business (see chart 10). The vast majority of trips are for leasure/commuting/shopping which can be done via other means.
Most people use the mode of transport most convenient for them, so the trick is to make more effecient modes of transport (i.e. not cars) the most convenient.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-travel-survey-2021/national-travel-survey-2021-household-car-availability-and-trends-in-car-trips#trends-in-car-trips
I might be missing something but how do EVs help with congestion? Do more people car share with an EV?
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There's congestion which is a stuffed up nose, as with hay fever, and there's congestion which is 21 vehicles on a piece of road with capacity* for 20.
In context of EVs the latter would seem the more obvious to most of us in English.
(*It is more complex than that, of course, but a relative shortage of usable slots between and for vehicles is the essence)
My solar pays off itself by charging my car in only 4 yrs!
My electric ID3 is safer than my previous manual car (Golf). Smart stopping, adjusts to speed limits and cars in front automatically, no roll at all on hill starts, so nice to bring to a stop and go again that I now let so many more people cross / out, acceleration so crazy good that it makes over taking much quicker and easier (critical for where I live), lane detection, sleep protection etc. Generally made me a belter driver, and much more able to focus.
Now I know a lot of that is with modern automatics - but some of it is a pretty uniquely from EV. Not to mention it's an incredibly fun drive and so responsive.
Bonus - still much better carbon wise than ICE and able to be recycled much better.
Heavier than my Golf? Probably - but weighs less than a ton of SUVs and Range Rovers.