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submitted 8 months ago by pluralistic@mamot.fr to c/random@kbin.run

We moved to America in 2015, in time for my kid to start third grade. Now she's a year away from graduating high school (!) and I've had a front-row seat for the US K-12 system in a district rated as one of the best in the country. There were ups and downs, but high school has been a monster.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

It's good for American schoolkids to learn about the use of these blood libels to excuse genocide, but these pamphlets are a slog. Even with glossaries in the textbooks, it's a slow, word-by-word matter to parse these out. I can't imagine anyone learning a single thing about how speech persuades people just by reading that text.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

But there's nothing in the standardized curriculum that prevents teachers from adding more texts to the unit. We live in an unfortunate golden age for persuasive texts that inspire terrible deeds - for example, kids could also read core #Pizzagate texts and connect the guy who shot up the pizza parlor to the racists who formed a 17th century lynchmob.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

But teachers are incredibly time-constrained. For one thing, at least a third of the AP classroom time seems to be taken up with detailed instructions for writing stilted, stylized "essays" for the AP tests (these are terrible writing, but they're easy to grade in a standardized way).

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[-] dpnash@c.im 1 points 8 months ago

@pluralistic@mamot.fr This is hugely debased compared to when I took AP English about 35 years ago (at the time it was one class and exam, predominantly English literature).

I know what the AP English rubric was then, because we had a couple practice exams graded by volunteers, and one of my parents was a volunteer reviewer for one AP English class at my school (not mine, so no conflicts of interest there).

That rubric emphasized making persuasive analysis of the chosen literature and giving good supporting details for your analysis. Essays did not have to follow a set format, except that they should flow logically and sensibly, clearly get to the point (so no filler or vague terms like "...is very important"), and be grammatically competent.

We definitely did not take 1/3 of the term drilling correct AP essay style. The practice exams (1 or 2) along with some class discussion were the sum total of in-school exam prep.

[-] spbollin@mas.to 1 points 8 months ago

@dpnash@c.im @pluralistic@mamot.fr Wow, this is … something. I took the AP English course and exam a bit longer ago. The class never covered the exam at all, just American literature and "how" to write. No practice exams, no rubrics. Same for AP History, which focused on European history. I did well on both exams, mostly because of the "how" to write part.

[-] dpnash@c.im 1 points 8 months ago

@spbollin@mas.to @pluralistic@mamot.fr In all the AP classes I took (late '80s) there was some review for the exam that involved practices, but it was mostly just going over what sorts of topics tended to be covered, with practice exams mostly covering how the exam worked rather than hyper-specific methods of trying to optimize scores (e.g., for AP English, what a typical literary critique/analysis question would look like and what it would ask). The AP English rubric I mentioned was the actual College Board grading rubric from exams administered a year or two beforehand, rather than an in-class preparation, which is part of the reason it came to mind as such a big difference from Cory's description of weeks upon weeks of fine-tuning essay style and format as part of AP English nowadays.

[-] dpnash@c.im 1 points 8 months ago

@spbollin@mas.to @pluralistic@mamot.fr And while we're on the subject: I know for a fact that at no point in my high school or college "generic expository writing experience" (through the early '90s) did I ever have to adhere to something like the "five paragraph essay format" that seems to be what people nowadays think of as an "essay", and which ChatGPT can regurgitate, with superficial content but absolutely perfect form. Of course, a lot of short essays I wrote would have been about 5 paragraphs long and would have followed a pattern of "intro, various supporting topics, conclusions", but through a dozen or more classes in English, history, and social sciences, where this sort of writing was routine, what mattered was actually being able to support an argument. The specific structural details were a lot less important. I'd like to think that's still very real at the college level; I'm rather less optimistic at the high school level in much of the US.

[-] spbollin@mas.to 1 points 8 months ago

@dpnash@c.im @pluralistic@mamot.fr I feel pretty lucky. Both AP classes, not regularly offered, were "rewards" for really good teachers who were given wide latitude to teach what they wanted to teach. I'm realizing now that it was a reward for me, too!

We have a teenager in high school currently. It is completely "teach to State/AP/whatever test", only proving Corey's points. And the high-stakes testing consumes at least a week of each semester.

[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

That's where standardization could actually deliver some benefits. If just one teacher could produce some supplemental materials and accompanying curriculum, the existence of standards means that every other teacher could use it. What's more, any adaptations that teachers make to that unit to make them suited to their kids would also work for the other teachers in the USA.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

And because the instruction is so rigidly standardized, all of these materials could be keyed to metadata that precisely identified the units they belonged to.

The closest thing we have to this are "marketplaces" where teachers can sell each other their supplementary materials.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

As far as I can tell, the only people making real money from these marketplaces are the grifters who built them and convinced teachers to paywall the instructional materials that could otherwise form a commons.

Like I said, I've got a completely overfull plate, but if I found myself at loose ends, trying to find a project to devote the rest of my life to, I'd be pitching funders on building a national, open access portal to build an educational commons.

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[-] SRDas@mastodon.online 1 points 8 months ago

@pluralistic@mamot.fr there are attempts at some sort of commons at least for college (which is another can of worms) and some attempts to get this to the schools. However with different states having all kinds of different standards (NGSS and other national standards notwithstanding), it's tough - and pushes the onus on to teachers a lot. A lot of this is piecemeal supported by foundations

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[-] SRDas@mastodon.online 1 points 8 months ago

@pluralistic@mamot.fr
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At CMU I know of and am learning to use the Open Learning Initiative online modules (and have used it for my #homeschool kids)
Not shilling - it's hardly optimal.

In US there is a vast inequity - for students, teachers, the whole system.
Tbh - if learning was a priority - school wouldn't start so early (this is known); it's more to get the parents to work to 'fuel the economy'

[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

It may be a lot to expect teachers to master the intricacies of peer-based co-production tools like #Git, but there's already a system like this that K-8 teachers across the country have mastered: #Scratch. Scratch is a graphic programming environment for kids, and starting with 2019's Scratch 3.0, the primary way to access it is via an in-browser version that's hosted at scratch.mit.edu.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

Scratch's online version is basically a kid- (and teacher-)friendly version of Github. Find a project you like, make a copy in your own workspace, and then mod it to suit your own needs. The system keeps track of the lineage of different projects and makes it easy for Scratch users to find, adapt, and share their own projects. The wild popularity of this system tells us that this model for a managed digital commons for an educational audience is eminently achievable.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

So when students are being asked to study the rhythm of text by counting the numbers of words in the sentences of important speeches, they could supplement that very boring exercise by listening to and analyzing contemporary election speeches, or rap lyrics, or viral influencer videos. Different teachers could fork these units to swap in locally appropriate comparitors - and so could students!

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

Students could be given extra credit for identifying additional materials that slot into existing curricular projects - Tiktok videos, new chart-topping songs, passages from hot YA novels. These, too, could go into the commons.

This would enlist students in developing and thinking critically about their curriculum, whereas today, these activities are often off-limits to students.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

For example, my kid's math teachers don't hand back their quizzes after they're graded. The teachers only have one set of quizzes per unit, and letting the kids hold onto them would leak an answer-key for the next batch of test-takers.

I can't imagine learning math this way. "You got three questions wrong but I won't let you see them" is no way to help a student focus on the right areas to improve their understanding.

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[-] jpanzer@mastodon.social 1 points 8 months ago

@pluralistic@mamot.fr wait what

[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

But there's no reason that math teachers in a commons built around the (unfortunately) rigid procession of concepts and testing couldn't generate procedural quizzes, specified with a simple programming language. These tests could even be automatically graded, and produce classroom stats on which concepts the whole class is struggling with. Each quiz would be different, but cover the same ground.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

When I help my kid with her homework, we often find disorganized and scattered elements of this system - a teacher might post extensive notes on teaching a specific unit. A publisher might produce a classroom guide that connects a book to specific parts of the common core. But these are scattered across the web, and they aren't keyed to the specific, standard components of common core and AP.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

This is a standardized system that'ss all costs, no benefit. It has no "architecture of participation" to let teachers, students, parents, practitioners and even commercial publishers collaborate to produce a commons that all may share and improve.

In an ideal world, we'd get rid of standardization in education, pay teachers well, give them additional time they needed to prepare exciting and relevant curriculum, and fund all our schools based on need, not parents' income.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

But in the meanwhile, we could be making lemonade of out lemons. If we're going to have standardization, we should at least have the collaboration standards enable.

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[-] pluralistic@mamot.fr 1 points 8 months ago

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[-] Gladso@mastodon.social 1 points 8 months ago

@pluralistic@mamot.fr I could not possibly agree more.
I am a teacher.

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