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[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago

Yemen is perfectly within the provisions of international law in blocking Israeli boats from transiting. The only violation of international law is if you claim that Ansar Allah is not the rightful and legitimate government of Yemen.

[-] donuts@kbin.social 28 points 2 years ago

I can only imagine being so brainwashed to believe that the Houthis harassing, threatening and attacking one of the biggest international trade routes on Earth, while indiscriminately targeting ships from various countries and ignoring multiple warnings from the UN, Britain and the US, is in any way legitimate.

They attacked civilian ships, they were warned not to, they didn't stop attacking civilian ships, and now they've been retaliated against as promised. Let's see if they're smart enough to finally stop fucking with international civilian trade ships.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

But when americans use naval ships to stop civilian ships from getting to Cuba is that them threatening and attacking civilians?

ignoring multiple warnings from the UN, Britain and the US

So everyone needs to follow Americas orders without question?

They attacked civilian ships

Thats how a blockade works, yes.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks for this response, I didn't have the mental capacity to frame it this well.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

The US doesn't have a blockade on Cuba. They have an embargo which only affects US ships and businesses. Basically a ban on Americans conducting business with Cuba.

When the US did institute a blockade it was to prevent Russia placing nuclear weapons there. And it was tightly enforced around the island. Not on any ship heading into the Caribbean.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Transiting international water? Lmao no.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Enforcing a blockade while at war? Lmao yes.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

So you admit the Houthis have declared war on the entire world.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

By... Enforcing a blockade of companies that trade with Israel?

Jeez, you're really starting to sound like an antisemite with your idiotic "Jews control the world" narrative. Are you going to pull out an octopus emoji next?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I never said anything like that. The Houthis have attacked ships that are entirely irrelevant to the Israelis. That's why they've declared war on the world. I've been pretty clear about that. So we're done here since you want to try and insert stupid stuff.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Name one.

Globalization sort of means that a lot of ships and shipping companies are relevant to the Israelis.

Edit: if you name a ship that was struck with AIS off... There's a reason it's a violation of international law to turn off AIS. People might think you're trying to avoid sanctions, or something.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Al Jasrah.

And no. You don't get to engage in piracy and then demand your victims let you know where they are.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Aren't they operated by Hapag Lloyd, which both maintains a Two Aviv office and is currently still shipping to Israel?

Enforcement of sanctions is a legitimate use of AIS. Evasion of sanctions is subject to the appropriate risks.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

That's not how sanctions, blockades, or embargoes work. The world economy would never survive if it was. If you declare war on anyone whose ever set foot in Israel then you are, again, de facto declaring war on the entire world.

The Houthis really fucked up.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

And yet, COSCO is still transiting Bab-el-Mandeb.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Congratulations you found the exception?

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

The world economy can survive without Israel, as COSCO has plainly demonstrated.

That's sort of the goal of sanctions.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Nobody said shit about surviving without Israel. The Houthis shut down the straight leading to the Suez Canal. That is not a blockade of Israel. It is a blockade of the busiest international shipping route in the world.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Except, again, they clearly haven't because COSCO literally just transited it.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Someone running the blockade does not mean there is no blockade.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

COSCO has been very explicit about how they are complying with Yemeni sanctions. How, exactly, is that running a blockade?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

They're just lucky.

[-] nekandro@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

You do realize that that's exactly what's happening to Cuba, and the world economy is still functioning?

Oh, wait, are we still pretending that Kennedy didn't place a blockade on Cuba?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The blockade ended on November 20th 1962. Any non US ships can go to Cuba just fine.

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