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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 27 points 10 months ago

Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war?

Idk if the majority support Hamas specifically, but most Palestinians support resistance fighters, including Hamas, mostly because peaceful diplomacy with Israel has proven to be impossible.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Hamas only exists because peaceful diplomacy with Israel was successful, and leading to a secular Palestinian state and a two state solution.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Hamas has no power in the West Bank. Yet Israeli settlers are free to harass Palestinians and force them from their homes without consequence. If you think that’s a successful resolution to the conflict then you’re just willfully ignorant.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yet Israeli settlers are free to harass Palestinians and force them from their homes without consequence

That's simply not true

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-08/ty-article/.premium/second-west-bank-settler-suspected-of-attacking-palestinians-to-be-held-without-trial/0000018c-49af-d6bd-a1ad-7bff81930000

Meanwhile Hamas literally has in their original charter that the reason they exist was to form an Islamic state, resist PA secularism, and fight a two state solution, because their goal was genocide of Israel.

[-] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

Willful ignorance, as I said.

For others reading this, UN reports on the issue are easily accessible.

https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/other-mass-displacement-while-eyes-are-gaza-settlers-advance-west-bank-herders-enhe

Even Haaretz reports on settler violence.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-01/ty-article/.premium/settler-violence-in-the-west-bank-isnt-an-oversight-its-a-long-standing-policy/00000189-0abc-d572-af9b-0afffdd50000

You have to go out of your way to ignore the mass amount of evidence that show the Israeli government endorses and supports the forced eviction of Palestinians in the West Bank.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

People break laws all the time. That doesnt mean the gov supports them.

You may enjoy learning about the actual nuance here

https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You added that last part, you disingenuous tool.

They are against a two state solution, because it's clear that can never work. The government of Israel has made that abundantly clear. The only real solution is a multiethnic state that is shared by Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

A religious ethnostate smack dab in the middle of an already existing nation who claims the same holy site that you do. What could possibly go wrong?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Hamas only exists because peaceful diplomacy with Israel was successful,

What peaceful diplomacy that lead to what results? The Oslo peace process (which Netanyahu stopped, by the way) only came after the first intifada and that shit was not peaceful.

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