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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

good now start reducing coal.

[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This type of comment reads really chauvinist, especially when you're defending Biden for increasing oil production in the other thread

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

or perhaps nuanced and realistic. The US needs to reduce coal burning too, if that makes you feel better. Whether it's China, US, or any other country, the point is "X% renewable" is a meaningless statistic. The meaningful statistic is amount of CO2 we're pumping into the atmosphere, which keeps growing.

As for US oil production, I don't like it, but it's a necessary short-term political evil. Unfortunately average Americans really care about gas prices, it is what it is. The alternative allows for a higher chance of Trump or whatever other republican president who would be even worse for the environment.

[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago

nuanced and realistic is when you hold other gvmts to higher standards than your own. Got it.

While I agree with the amount of CO2 being the meaningful statistic, I see China doing a lot more in that regard than the US.

  • Per Capita CO2: China is way lower
  • Produces and deploys renewables on an unprecedented scale
  • Public transport is taken serious

When the US/West exported it's treat production to China pointing the finger to the total CO2 output is just chauvinist

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

nuanced and realistic is when you hold other gvmts to higher standards than your own.

nowhere did I do that, nice straw man.

[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

yeah you do, you dismiss the US/Biden increase in oil production as a necessary short-term evil, but dont do so for China. ie you hold other goverments to higher standards than your own

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