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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by SteelBeard@lemmy.world to c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world

Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.

Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

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[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

I thought it was because they lacked the ability to effectively moderate.

[-] kabe@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

That's correct.

Moderator tools on Lemmy are still super, super basic when compared to Reddit's. There's a fair bit of work to be done yet.

[-] ShittyKopper@lemmy.w.on-t.work 12 points 1 year ago

To some people having any moderation beyond "just block the trolls yourself lmao" means creating an echo chamber.

[-] moreeni@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Which effectively creates an echo chamber, be it good or bad

[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

If the echo chamber I’m a part of prevents nazi and fascist ideology from becoming normal than I’m all for it.

[-] moreeni@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Excuse me if you misunderstood my initial comment but it doesn't argue against your statement at all. Again, a good or a bad one, an echo chamber is an echo chamber

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

That is the direct reason, yes, but the larger problem is that without effective moderation they are unable to curate the type of community they want. "Safe space" is a loaded term, but if you actually read Beehaw's documents (particularly the 'spirit of the rules' one) it is quite clear that they are attempting to create an online community where people feel safe and can be themselves free from attack and/or ridicule. The de-federation is because they are unable to deliver on this "safe space" promise at the moment. In my opinion that's absolutely fine and they should be praised for taking quick and decisive action to protect their community. It doesn't need to be some controversial thing that people attempt PR spin over. Just call it what it is. If people have a problem with it, unlucky.

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