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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

The full GTA V source code has been leaked The leak contains GTA V source code and stuff from Bully 2 and GTA VI Leaked in a discord server by a random British guy in the 360 modding community known to get sued by Rockstar multiple times

"Now i am expecting a open source version of gta to arrive soon on linux natively . Tired of playing supertuxcart."

Here is the source. Another one.

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[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 454 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you're not aware, the hack was performed by Arion Kurtaj, an 18 year old, who has been put in ~~prison~~ a psych ward in a uk prison. He hacked rockstar at a hotel, where he was left with no computers or phones, only to find that the TV had a chromecast, which he used to buy a phone and a keyboard (presumably by selling his monero).

  • He hacked into all major uk telcom providers: EE, BT and Orange.
  • He hacked into nvidia

This kid deserves a 7-8 digits salary as a pentester, not prison; plenty of pentesting companies would hire him in a heartbeat.

Don't get me wrong, he deserves a long and drawn out lesson on morals, but also a stellar salary where he can do what he's doing for the right side.

EDIT: I have made a mistake in my original comment, which has been pointed out. My bad, he's technically in a psych ward in a uk prison, because he's aggressive and unstable. I still stand by what I said (and what I clarified in the comments below), but I wanted to correct the record

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 164 points 11 months ago

You have to convince him first it is what he wants to do. He seems very fixated on being a cyber criminal at this time and money is unlikely to sway him.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 85 points 11 months ago

He can learn once he understands the repercussions of his actions. Remember that he's an autistic teenager, he has a lot to learn about life and especially morality.

[-] 520@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago

His career in white hat cybersecurity is shot to fuck. No one will trust him enough after this

[-] Anomalous_Llama@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Well, considering the UK is not interested in helping him, and you’re probably right, we should perhaps be more concerned with Russia or a similar country picking him up for state sponsored cyberattacks or some shit.

Kid seems to be in it for the chaos and notoriety. That could cause quite a bit of harm in the right state environment.

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[-] RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

I think you're vastly underestimating what a big stack of green can do for the morals of an 18 yo.

[-] 520@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago

An 18 yo isn't gonna get fat stacks of green as a pentester.

The suits that decide salaries have different priorities. Like certs that are out of the price range of a teenager and years of professional experience.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 79 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This kid deserves a 7-8 digits salary as a pentester, not prison; plenty of pentesting companies would hire him in a heartbeat.

I keep hearing this.

Find me any company that will hire someone so unstable and destructive, and I'll show you a company with bad hiring practices.

This is someone you can never count on to do anything they don't want to do. Someone who will destroy things if they don't get their way. Triple letters won't touch him.

Also, let's be clear, a lot of this was social engineering. He didn't do anything impressive, he just did things others wouldn't be brazen enough to do because they didn't want to get caught.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 34 points 11 months ago

This is someone you can never count on to do anything they don’t want to do. Someone who will destroy things if they don’t get their way. Triple letters won’t touch him.

definitely, but people can change

a lot of this was social engineering

people always have a high and mighty mentality when talking about social engineering, most attacks today use some form of social engineering and have for a long time, if not always.

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[-] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Are you kidding me? Aggressive, unstable and destructive seem to be core tenants for the CEOs of many large scale blue chip firms.

If you want actual penetration defense, you absolutely hire the unstable person. I'm not saying you put him or her in the centre desk on the main floor, let him or her work from an environment where they are most comfortable, and one that supports them best.

If you want window dressing, hire the neat and tidy person, who couldn't actually penetrate an Excel sheet.

[-] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Or you hire an intelligent, capable, and professional pen tester. They'll find the same holes that the nutcase will, they'll document them, and they'll do it without breaking things.

[-] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Social engineering is a major part of pen-testing and of hacking. It's still impressive despite any carelessness.

[-] 520@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

This wasn't carelessness. This was a deliberate.

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[-] 520@kbin.social 69 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This kid deserves a 7-8 digits salary as a pentester, not prison; plenty of pentesting companies would hire him in a heartbeat.

You're forgetting a vitally important part of being a pentester.

Namely that they need to be trusted not to leak billions of dollars worth of trade secrets.

This kid is a prodigy as a black hat, but he'd be an embarrassment as a pentester.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 32 points 11 months ago

I agree with you in principle, you are definitely objectively correct, however people can redeem themselves.

To name two:

  • Mitnick (RIP) started as a black hat
  • Gollumfun started as a twisted criminal
[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 29 points 11 months ago

I used to work as a pentester. It's an open secret that like a good chunk of people in the industry are former criminals. But former is kind of the keyword. Not only is he doing crime after being arrested and still under surveillance, but he can't even lie and say he won't do it again. The kid is unhireable, at least not until he can get his compulsions under control.

[-] RelentlessArts@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago

My GF works with autistic individuals and for a majority of them they simply cannot lie, at least not big lies. He may not even see it as being that wrong (probably does know to some extent that it is wrong), especially with all the (correct) rhetoric that companies are scum bastards obscuring the truth. The kid is indeed unhireable for the time being but he could be helped to understand the morals, ethics and laws surrounding his interests to integrate him into the capitalistic world he finds himself in.

[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 9 points 11 months ago

I certainly didn't mean to make any moral judgments about the kid. I'm not even sure that I think it's morally wrong (unwise and legally wrong, no doubt, I just don't think his actions hurt any person and I don't care if an action hurts a corporation). The kid is clearly talented and I hope he gets the treatment he needs. I sure hope he can eventually make a living with his talents and perhaps eventually use his talents towards positive change.

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[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

eight months in solitary

Jesus shit

[-] 520@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To be fair to those two:

  • Mitnick did much what he did before hacking was even a crime, and almost all of it before offensive cybersecurity was even a viable career option.

  • the damage caused by the entirety of ShadowCrew (4000 odd members) was a drop in the bucket compared to that caused by this single kid

  • neither of them had compulsion issues that would cause them to attempt to hack even while under surveillance.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I don't even see how he's a prodigy. He's part of a larger group, and used a lot of social engineering tactics.

[-] 520@kbin.social 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Almost all blackhats are part of a group, and even social engineering tactics can require talent to pull off, especially when it is guarding billions of dollars worth of trade secrets.

The dude carried out an attack with a fucking Amazon Fire stick and a phone. While in police custody. That is an insane level of preparation and knowledge of your tools

[-] rickrolled767@ttrpg.network 59 points 11 months ago

He’s talented, but the problem is jobs like pen testing require a LOT of trust to work in. So far this guy has said and shown that he intents on staying in cybercrime rather than doing legitimate work.

As it stands, given how he’s acted, I can’t see a single company that would let him pen test their systems or a red team that would take that risk to their reputation.

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[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 11 months ago

I want to bet this dude is a giant asshole. Not sure why people keep making a hero out of him, he sounds like an awful person.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 30 points 11 months ago

Maybe, I've never met him, but that changes nothing.

Linus Torvalds is a giant asshole and he doesn't know how to talk to people, he's still one of the most important people in tech.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 55 points 11 months ago

Torvalds isn't an asshole because of a nonexistent moral compass. He just has strong opinions, and he's usually right, anyway.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 18 points 11 months ago

Absolutely, didn't mean to imply otherwise

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[-] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As far as I recall he actively seeks to commit cybercrimes and even says so himself.

It's not the first young hacker on the spectrum that has urges to hack stuff.

It's a whole different question when someone is conscious he is doing something illegal and actively seeks to do it.

This is not another Aaron Swartz story imo. It's an autistic individual that doesn't hack out of curiosity but in order to damage businesses, and people or benefit himself.

[-] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

he actively seeks to commit cybercrimes and even says so himself.

In 5-10 years he would change his mind. As of now - kid had no idea about life.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Yea, I mean he's an 18 year old autistic kid. He's going to be a bit slower than his peers to develop adult skills and fit in to society. People in here are talking as if he's unredeemable. He's still just a kid who has some maturing to do.

[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 21 points 11 months ago

Unfortunate that society punishes those that can do things that a lot of people don't understand

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

It’s more unfortunate that someone who is talented uses their skills to cause damage to society. The only thing he deserves is a lesson on morality and ethics.

He’s the type of person that should be removed from society. If that means a prison cell then so be it.

[-] m13@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

The real criminals in this world are the billionaires, the CEOs, the bankers, the landlords, bosses, and cops who enforce a capitalistic society on all of us and engineer the destruction of our environment and ensure our continued wage slavery and inevitable annihilation.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

He deserved (past tense) all that opportunity before he proved his willingness to use it to do damage. Given his dedication to committing crime, I can't imagine who would ever trust him enough to want his talents.

[-] rengoku@social.venith.net 7 points 11 months ago

This guy defends criminal. What an idiot.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 16 points 11 months ago

Please look into penetration testing.

[-] rickrolled767@ttrpg.network 15 points 11 months ago

Unless his attitude and stance changes, there’s not a single red team that I could see taking him. You can’t just throw someone who wants to be a criminal into pentesting and think it’ll go well

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 6 points 11 months ago

No disagreements here, but this is all something that can change easily, he just need to understand the repercussions of his actions

[-] 520@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not every black hat, even autistic ones, lack an understanding of their actions. Some know perfectly fucking well what they are doing.

This guy rigged up hardware to pull off a massive attack while in police custody. Bro knew full well by that point what the consequences were, he pulled off another attack in the middle of dealing with said consequences

[-] woodytrombone@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Please stop saying that morally bankrupt teens deserve a career in security.

They don't. Full stop. I don't give a fuck how talented you are, if I can't trust you then I'm not letting you near my systems. End of story.

[-] 520@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

Am a professional pentester/red teamer. You hit the nail on the head.

Pentesting is not all about the shit you can hack. A big part of it is presenting a professional face that suits can trust.

That is fundamentally incompatible with compulsively attacking and leaking billions of dollars worth of shit

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[-] Cinner@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

He hacked rockstar at a hotel, where he was left with no computers or phones, only to find that the TV had a chromecast, which he used to buy a phone and a keyboard (presumably by selling his monero).

You sure are making a lot of assumptions here and have some very interesting takes. Can you tell me how this would be done without a way to modify the Chromecast?

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[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Not just prison, life imprisonment under the oversight of medical professionals, until he can be deemed to not be a danger to others.

From a security perspective, what he's done is very impressive. It sounds like he has a lot of troubles, though, and if anything this act has probably pushed the authorities to give him the medical help he probably needed.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

This kid deserves a 7-8 digits salary as a pentester, not prison

he is not obedient enough for these corporations as is.

so throw away his talent it is.

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