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Let's just leave behind some human beings from being allowed to participate in life, why even let them be in society at all, maybe they should be sent away for the convenience of picking political battles
How is sports the only aspect of life? And even then, they are not blocked from participating, as they can complete with other cis-men in those divisions. It’s interesting, trans men don’t have this issue because they simply can’t compete with cis men. I guess they don’t get to participate in life by your definition?
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Having a featherweight division in boxing helps, but there is no issue because there is no advantage. But, again, trans men that can compete with cis men are rare, although not nonexistent.
Why do you think sports is the only aspect of life? You're the only one that's said those words
I say, no trans woman in women’s sports you say
You made that jump
I say, no trans woman in women’s sports you say
You made that jump
Sometimes you make a decision in life that affects your future in a meaningful way. Becoming a trans is one of those things. Sadly there's no good solution to the problem it causes in sports right now so the only possible answer is to not have them in the competition.
They are not saying to leave them behind, and comparing this to not participating in life is an unfair exaggeration. The situation is far too complicated for that. It's not just about politics here, there's other people involved that would be put at a disadvantage, others that would abuse the situation to gain money, etc.
And yes, I'm well aware of the injustice being done to trans people on every possible level, and that needs to change, this battle itself though is just not the same.
*Edit: I'm reading further down that this "problem" it causes might not be as big as I heard it was in the media. So take this comment with that in mind if you will. It only proves the complexity of the issue though.
Except there is no choice involved. Its not "becoming trans" anymore than its "becoming tall" or "becoming gay". Those are all things you are born with. Now a trans person may choose to medically transition or not; they are still trans either way. "Trans" and "cis" are adjectives and both are things you are born with regardless of what you do about it.
Of course that's not what I mean. You're missing the entire point of my post because of the way I describe the moment of the procedure itself.
Also, what you are saying applies to the individual. For the government, and for things such as these sporting events, they will not 'be' female until they undergo their transformation.
Oh, people with body dysmorphia should just chose not to have body dysmorphia. Feels like I've heard this one before.
That is not at all what i am saying at all. That's the second one on this topic to twist my words to fit what they think is the kind of person I am. If you want to read negatively you'll find it everywhere.
Let me state the obvious here. People who are in this situation have to make some tough decisions. I know it sucks, I have friends who went through this and yet I can't even begin to imagine how tough it gets first hand. It does drastically change their lives for the better, but it has consequences. They lose family, they lose friends, and in case of the subject at hand they might lose their job too.
That sucks, but for the vast majority it's still worth it big time in order to be yourself.
As easy it would be if we never had to challenge any of the norms that society has decided.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by that as a response to my post?