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PSA: Lemmy.ml is not Lemmy (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago by concrete_baby@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go "Lemmy is getting worse and worse," or "I'm leaving Lemmy," or worse, "I'm leaving for Beehaw."

If you're using Beehaw, then you're using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don't like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don't get our terminology right.

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[-] regular_human@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I, for one, fully support the explicitly antifascist politics of the core maintainers

[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Agreed. There is too much false equivalence of "Tankies" and fascists.

Fascists want to enslave your sisters and daughters and stick your trans friends in psych wards until they "decide" to stop being trans. They're fine with Blacks wallowing in poverty as second-class citizens and having militarized police on every streetcorner.

"Tankies" (Marxist-Leninists) believe in all the same progressive things other (so-called) Socialists do but have different views on historical figures and foreign policy, something that does not matter a bit in the here and now.

Here is the difference between Fascists and "Tankies": if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that China was trying to exterminate the Ughyr people through mass execution, 95% of the "Tankies" out there, myself included, would disown China and denounce the genocide (this will not happen, because it isn't a genocide except in the broadest and most meaningless of terms). If it was proven beyond a doubt that the Holocaust happened (which it more or less has), the majority of Neo-Nazis would still say it was good.

[-] lemmybrucelee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Agree completely with this take. 'Tankie' is just 'woke' for libs. They don't want dialogue over ideas that threaten their worldview (or profits!)

[-] ConTheLibrarian@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Saying you'd denounce a genocide you deny is happening isn't accomplishing what you think it is.

People don't equate "tankies" with "fascists" because you advocate some sort of marxist-inspired system of governance... it's because denying the suffering of others when it's politically convenient is absolutely the opening strategy of the fascist playbook.

Also, "Disown China"??? Nothing wrong with liking other countries but the way you guys talk about them is off putting and doesn't come across as informed or even remotely unbiased.

[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Being "unbiased" is not a virtue. I am a Marxist. I judge people, governments, and ideas based off of a Marxist framework. That is my bias.

I give China the benefit of the doubt because they are, at least, claiming to be a Marxist state. This on its own puts them above any non-Marxist state.

[-] TolerableOrgasm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Why? I am a socialist democrat and don't would never support North Korea just because they claim to be a democracy. China is an authoritarian state that does nothing to support socialist ideals.

[-] Soupbreaker@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I give China the benefit of the doubt because they are, at least, claiming to be a Marxist state. This on its own puts them above any non-Marxist state.

This is a spectacularly stupid assertion. Like, we're talking trumpian levels of idiocy here. Y'all tankies really want to make horseshoe theory a thing.