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Report: Truce fell apart after Hamas refused to release more Israeli female hostages
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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I guess the rockets in the air and the hostages not produced are all just holograms and magician disappearing acts?
Ever notice that during any of these "hostage" exchanges, Israel always has a ready supply of Palestinian "prisoners" to exchange in return? Funny how it's only one side taking "hostages".
It's almost like one side is arresting specific people with handcuffs and eventually pressing actual charges instead of sending in a giant group of people to abduct as many people as possible.
We call that an apartheid state. Framing laws to specifically target an ethnic group so you can expell and eradicate them. In the US we called them Jim Crow laws.
In the US when you kill random people it's murder and when you take random people who aren't breaking any laws and child them captive, then it's kidnapping.
Unless you're a police officer.
And?
What are you on about?
One side has snatched up thousands from Israel, Gaza, West Bank and held them without trial.
Oh well you tell that to the innocent people being abducted.
Again, arrested not abducted. They are going to an actual prison with actual charges applied eventually. Whether or not those charges are warranted is up for debate.
No.
Many of them never get charged, they just get taken and if they’re lucky a month or so later they’re dumped somewhere random.
So arrested and released? Bruh. That makes what Hamas did even worse in comparison.
So far 1000 are still unaccounted for and 6 are confirmed dead.
Those recently released mention being tortured during their detainment.
Yeah, just like the Israelis word I'm not taking Hamas' word for shit. They both lie all the time.I like the kid who said they broke his hand while there is hella footage of him using it while being released.
This not Hamas’ word, this is the word of the thousands of Palestinian migrant workers who have been taken by Israel since the 7th.
Sure bud, keep thinking things would be better under hamas just ask the Thai worker "arrested" with a garden hoe to the neck.
Israel kills so many Palestinians, that reaching 16 is old.
You really think you’re more likely to survive Israel?
Yes Israeli captivity is better than Hamas. What fucking reality do you live in?
The kind where you’re lucky to be even taken alive by them instead of murdered in the street?
This place removed a link to Shanis body you know that woman who was "arrested" and thrown in the back of a truck and then stripped and spat on. Stop censoring things.
Oh would you like me to counter with photos of Palestinian victims?
I can do they, and I can do it for far longer than you can.
Sure, show me Israel sending waves of people into Palestine shooting every single person that moves, show me a bus stop of elderly Palestinians slaughtered. Show me a grandma being gunned down in her home. Show me Palestinian women bleeding profusely from her vagina tied and shoved into the back of a stolen car by the IDF.
Alright, that is simply not true. Most of these people are held in "administrative detention" indifinetely and don't even get to see a judge. When they get to see a judge, they end up in a military court for offences as simple as throwing rocks, and the punishments are disproportionately harsh. The conviction rate of these courts was at around 99.7% a few years ago. Don't just take it from me, take it from Breaking the silence, an israeli NGO comprised of ex IDF soldiers that served in the occupied territories and are now speaking out.
Dude, throwing stones at people is definitely an arrestable offense. If a group of people started to chuck rocks at me, I'd want them arrested. The fuck?
I never said they were right or just charges just they do in fact get charged or released eventually. They aren't literal fucking hostages with demands being made. Fucking christ I don't really like Israel but all you people are dumb as fuck if you really think Hamas captivity is anyway comparable.
These people are prosecuted under military law. Settlers that commit the same or even worse acts of violence are prosecuted under civilian law. This is the first big difference. The second big difference is the harshness with which these people are prosecuted in military courts. Settler crimes are considered to be of civilian nature and thus are simple misdemeanors or felonies. The occupied's crimes are prosecuted under military law and thus are considered to be a threat of national security often paired up with terrorism charges for what would be a simple misdemeanor under civillian law.
Secondly, you can be kept under administrative detention indifinetely without any charge, even as a minor. That is not justice. That is hostage taking. I say that these people are hostages because first and foremost they haven't had open, fair trials and secondly Israel convenientelly uses them as leverage whenever they see fit. They are a trading card for the occupying force.
The regime these people are subjected to is a regime of terror. They have no rights. Soldiers do not need a warrant to enter their homes and search them. Soldiers are strictly prohibited from protecting the occupied from settler violence. That is the job of the civil police, which is often controlled by the settlers. Sterile streets (streets where the occupied are not allowed to walk on; that's exactly what the IDF calls them) are a normal sighting in the occupied territories. The rule of the land for the IDF is to "make their presence felt" (google it, that's what they literally call it), aka to instill a sense of fear of the unexpected in the occupied people. This means playing by no concrete rules, not letting the occupied see the rule book, creating chaos, so that they never know what to expect. These people have been living in a constant state of terror. That is state sponsored terror.
I would say that while definitely not the same you can very well compare the situations these civillians live in, given that an external force is wreaking havoc in their lives in unimaginable ways using terror and abduction.
With all that being said, drop the ad hominem attacks if you're replying to people. At least try to have a constructive conversation.
I'm not reading all that, if you can't tell the difference between arrest with handcuffs and charges(yes even false charges) vs a massacre and ending up a hostage that's on you.
"I'm not reading all that"
Imagine being this insufferable.
Imagine putting effort into pointless internet conversions.
I don't have to imagine. I just read your posts.
Wait to you the guy writing 3 sentences is putting in effort and not the dude writing full essays? Goddamn this place really is dumb as hell.
Not surprising at all considering how both Hamas and PA are heavily focused on indoctrinating citizens to hate Jews and commit terror acts.
I think killing Palestinian children, robbing families of their homes, rounding up and detaining adolescents is doing a pretty good job of that already.
Hamas has done a great job with their propaganda by grouping anyone under 19 as children. That includes all 16-18 year olds with guns.
You forgot the 14 year old that was detained by Israel as well.
Hopefully the apartheid state will be broken soon.
Enough of them were trying to stab random civilians, including pregnant mothers for me to pretend that every 14 year old in custody is innocent.
By random people, you mean occupiers that have stolen their land. We cheer the Ukrainians for defending their land from genocidal occupiers. I feel the same towards the Palestinian people.
That's no different than calling every Palestinian a terrorist. Are you calling every Palestinian a terrorist?
I'm saying taking one side of a conflict's statements at face value, especially Israel's, is incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.
So you say it is wrong taking sides and then blatantly take sides - lol?
Saying Israel is biased and untrustworthy isn't taking a side unless you think Israel can't be criticized. In which case, I don't care what you have to say.