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Sure. Glugging down the lactation of other species intended for their babies is weird. It's weird and should be more stigmatized.
Peak Lemmy for me is reading shit like this and being unsure if it is a joke or not
Hahaha, me too.
I do think it is super weird to drink the breast milk of other animals. At the same time, I wouldn't say that it's a topic I take very seriously.
Oats, goats, stoats, all of 'em
Ew gross! Cow lactation, please!
Or as I like to call it, beef milk.
Moojuice.
Also, eggs are chicken abortions.
Coconut milk?
Are you saying it'd be less weird to glug down human milk?
Well, yes, since we already do that. And human milk is at least from our species.
I personally think that would be very weird, but less weird than drinking the breast milk of other species.
I'll refer you to another response from this wonderfully lively thread:
""What do you like to drink?"
"Milk."
"What's that?"
"This breast juice from other animals. It's super healthy for the percentage of our population that can digest it."
"Oh...Why from other animals?"
"Well, we're not going to drink human breast milk, that would be gross. I mean, we give it to babies. Cow and goat lactation, though, that's for grown-ups.""
You could make a similar argument as to why we eat animal meat instead of human meat and it would be just as stupid.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Go on?
You're trying to make it seem like drinking milk is weird because it comes from an animal other than humans. But nearly all the food anyone eats comes from something that's not a human.
You're also ignoring one of the big reasons we don't drink human milk for longer - most human mothers stop producing milk after a certain length of time, whereas cows and goats and the like produce it more regularly, for longer periods of time.
Cows also stop producing milk naturally.
You only think they don't because we force-impregnate the eugenics cows to be pregnant and lactating all the time. When they have their babies, the baby is taken away immediately and the cow is force-impregnated again 6 weeks later. After a few years, the cow is killed and becomes deli meat.
That is a strange horror show you are cheerleading for as "normal".
Also, stop pretending I'm saying things I'm not. It didn't work for the others and it won't work for you.
Not dissing your argument at all, but my first thought was of babies eating little pieces of human flesh and it made me giggle. Well now that I wrote I down it just sounds freaky, but in my head it sounded silly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fair enough. Like the other commenter said in response, it's good to remember that weird doesn't mean bad, but you're not wrong, it is pretty weird lol. The world is a goofy place :)
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I was confused so I googled my name, and apparently käse means nonsense in German, so that's cool! Is that why you said that?
Käse in German means cheese. A dairy product. Therefore my comment. But you are not wrong, it is colloquially used to describe somebody talking rubbish in the following sentences: Du redest Käse. Das ist doch Käse.
Oh cool!! Thanks for the explanation
Agreed, there are tons of weird and goofy things everywhere. They don't bother me, but I notice and appreciate them.
Drinking milk from other species is just one of the most common weird ones and one that I don't think we examine fundamentally often enough haha. Plus I always think it's funny.
I always think of that. Tom Green skit where he drank milk straight from the udder of a cow and the ostensible joke is like look how crazy this guy is that he's willing to drink milk straight from the cow!
But that's basically what everybody is doing, in my head anyway whenever I see someone drinking milk. It's fun up there, in my head.
If we think about this way, yes it is indeed pretty weird but it has really great nutrients which are crucial for children to grow in a healthy way (in moderation just like with any other food, fruit, vegetable).
I think milk has vitamins and nutrients as well, vitamins and nutrients that can be easily supplemented by other dietary sources.
It's much more the fact that it's just day to day normal to drink breast milk from other animals.
"What do you like to drink?"
"Milk."
"What's that?"
"This breast juice from other animals. It's super healthy for the percentage of our population that can digest it."
"Oh...Why from other animals?"
"Well, we're not going to drink human breast milk, that would be gross. I mean, we give it to babies. Cow and goat lactation, though, that's for grown-ups."
I don't think "it's weird therefore bad" is a good argument. If you're gonna argue for veganism (which I don't have a problem work doing!) I think there are way, way better reasons.
I agree, can you point me to whichever commenter told you it was bad?
I'm not big into veganism myself, but feel free to spread your vegan wings here if you like.
Seems as appropriate a place as any.
"it's weird and should be more stigmatized" that seems to be making a moral claim right? I guess you never explicitly said that it's because it's weird that it should be stigmatized, but it certainly seemed to be structured like that.
And ah maybe I misunderstood, what you were saying just sounds like how a lot of ppl talk about it on the vegan forums I used to regular, lmao.
I'm not sure what triggers a moral defense there, except for the traditional context of the word "stigma", maybe? Yeah, might have taken it one assumption too far.
I guess you can make a moral argument against drinking milk because of factory farming infrastructure, but even with factory farming I think anyone would find it easier to argue against the mass slaughter in horrific conditions before the milk charge would make waves.
Even though drinking xeno-boob-juice is super weird.
So you used to be a vegan? Or you just crashed their forums?
If the original comment was truly a sarcasm then I give a huge applause for Varyk. It's certainly 200 IQ level.
Yeah I was talking about milks too. Probably it's relatively easy to supplement milk with other sources but are those choice economically viable? Protein powders are a bit expensive + as an average joe, payin 3x+ more for plant based milk products are bit too much for me currently, but a 2x could convince me to opt for a plant based one. I'm not really knowledgable in this area, there must be some other options too for replacing milk in a cost effective way.
Supplements are cheaper than milk. If the main concern is about d3, you can buy hundreds of high dose d3 supplements for like 10 bucks.
I'm checking.
Costco, no sale, 500 iu d3, 600 gels.
CVS, 5$, 400iu d3 for 100 gels.
Supplements are pretty available.
Protein? Meat. Quinoa. Protein is easier and cheaper, but d3 is straightforward and available also.
Yeah these are good options, though I'm an europoor I believe you, but personally I'm more likely interested in a milk alternative.
Yeast is the way to look in terms of a realistic cost effective nutritious alternative to milk that tastes and feels similar. I think anyway. Synthesized yeast proteins, acids and fats is a pretty interesting field.
We can just program yeast to incorporate a certain amount of D3, or whatever other detail of nutrition we care for, within the milk or other substance they produce.
Damn yeast as a viable alternative? Now that was an unexpected one, thank you for the info!
Oh, it's super cool. Scientists were able to persuade yeasts to produce all sorts of things in small colonies decades ago, but there are actual companies now that the technology has matured that are trying to bring yeast farms into commercial scale. And yeasts are so variable in their strains and productions that you could basically make a yeast produce any combination of protein, fats and acids that you'd like. They're hoping to synthesize biodegradable plastics, milks, it sounds like nearly anything organic should be able to be synthesized via yeast.
Yeah, check it out, yeast farming is super cool.
More weird than eating other things not intended for you to eat like animal meats?
Weirder? Sure.
What gives you the idea that eating animal meat is unintentional?
I can think of plenty of examples of one animal eating the meat of another, but only one example of a majority of a species drinking the breast milk of another species.
So yeah, drinking milk seems weirder to me than eating meat.
I dont know man. Ants are farming aphids for their sugary digestive secrets aka their shit. Bears eat Honey, which to all logic remains half digested bee-spit. Praying Mantis cut off the head off their mate after mating and eat it. Anglerfish males are not the mighty toothed beasts, but weird little parasites that nist themselves in the females and eat them from the inside until the female just lays its eggs before death.
So humans drinking other animals milk is maybe unique, but certainly not more weird than other ways of procurung nutrition, that nature invented.
I don't think anyone claimed drinking the breast milk of other species is the weirdest thing on the planet, but I'm not sure your examples quite hit that level, although ants and aphids is a point.
I guess the counterpoint is that aphid secretions are nontoxic and largely sugar, while humans have fancy coffee that's made from beans extracted from actual cat s***, and the cat s*** coffee farms are a lot weirder and more gross than an aphid farm.
But bee honey is just dried out nectar, it isn't even spit or vomit because there's no bile or added secretions. It's just dehydrated flower juice.
As for the angler fish and praying mantis, that doesn't seem strange at all with so many ways that evolution and reproduction have evolved.
Milk isn't some instinctual thing, humans know where milk comes from, know the cow has to be pregnant, and know which baby animals milk is for, and chose to build an industry around artificially impregnating cows year round, sucking the moo juice from their swollen breasts, taking away their babies after they're born and processing them for food, then artificially impregnating the agitated mother and sucking more juice out of her for a few years until she's worthless as a moojuice producer and is moodered for our consumption. Then there's the hormones that we used for decades and the terrible conditions the animals live in.
Factory farming, artificial insemination and separating families are choices that we are making to enjoy the elite privilege of drinking the lactation of other species.
That's still way weirder to me.
Nobody born intended to be eaten by others. Why is that even a question?
Because you alleged that meat is not something I was intended to eat, which doesn't really track with the uncountable natural examples of predator and prey for all of knowable history.
Things happening have nothing to do with intentions. Your implication of milk is not intended to be consumed by humans doesn't track with the history either. We consume milk a fuck ton in various forms over hundreds of years.
Of course it tracks - You think that breast milk produced by cows and goats for baby cows and goats specifically is intended for human consumption? No, of course not. That animal breast milk is intended for the young of that species.
Humans may continue to suckle at the teats of other animals, and it may continue to be common, and it will be weird.
That just brings back the question of how's cow meat is intended to be eaten by you. That muscle is intended to let the cow walk and eat and reproduce. It is specifically evolved for those purposes.