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Free speech can’t flourish online — Social media is an outrage machine, not a forum for sharing ideas and getting at the truth::Social media is an outrage machine, not a forum for sharing ideas and getting at the truth

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[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

The downvote button is still abused as a "I don't agree with your opinion" button though...

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 years ago

"I don't agree" -> "the content of this comment is false, because it doesn't agree with what I believe to be true" -> "this comment provides no value, because its content is lies". There's no way you can prevent that chain of reasoning, especially since it's largely unconscious for most people.

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That's unfortunately true 😕

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I suppose it'd probably be pretty hard to sell people on lies being good, on the basis of lies being good ground for refutation of those lies, huh?

But then I dunno, I'd take like 30 comments of people all disagreeing with some premise in some similar way, compared to like, a 10 comment long reference getting 30 gorillion upvotes, because everyone has to be god's gift to comedy.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

yeah I don't really know how we can improve on that

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

A "I don't agree with that" button?

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

What would it do? If it didn't do anything, people would just use the downvote button

I think lesswrong has an "agree/disagree" vote as well as a "this comment is/is not high quality and relevant button"

[-] rambaroo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You remove the downvote button. Or maybe instead of points you only allow stickers/emoticon reactions.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

You should only get so many downvotes to use per day. Maybe 3.

[-] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Ironically gets downvoted by people who disagree

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

Yup, perfect example of the problem. An on-topic comment adding to the discussion. Sure maybe not the ultimate solution but a valid point to consider.

[-] XTL@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

There's a lot more bad content than 3 per day, though. Also, downvotes have essentially no effect, so the whole mechanism is a bit pointless. Better than nothing, still.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's similar to how slashdot modpoints worked, although both upvotes and downvotes were limited. IMO it was one of the better self moderation systems I've seen.

I do personally wish people were a bit more thoughtful before downvoting, and making them a limited resource could help with that. It could also encourage sock-puppeting if not implemented very carefully, though.

[-] FishFace@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I was thinking about slashdot modpoints too - it did seem to result in better discussion, but maybe everything was better in those days/in my rose-tinted spectacles. (And at this point I cba going back to check...)

There were some oddnesses - I remember someone's signature was "The difference between 'Interesting' and 'Insightful' is whether you agree" which always rang very true to me. Separating upvotes for "funny", "I agree" and "I find this interesting" is already pretty handy though.

I think there's no way to prevent people from downvoting what they disagree with - but maybe if you provided downvotes for "this is wrong" and "this is trolling" people could have an option to ignore the "this is wrong" downvotes and get more diverse opinions.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

This is a nice idea that I've seen before, but also one that sort of needs a centralized platform to work well

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

That's a good point.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Lemmy already has a huge alt/brigade problem. That would just make it worse.

[-] nexusband@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

What the hell is "alt/brigade"?? I mean, as a German I know I'm getting old, you don't have to rub it in...but I don't think that's the meaning of this

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