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'No Possibility' of Gaza Cease-Fire, Biden Says as 500+ Former Staffers Demand One
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Taking from my comment on the other community where you posted this:
Biden asked for one and reported Netanyahu said no.
The headline sounds like he’s just dismissing his staffers
You mean the headline is intentionally misleading to the point of misinforming people?
It's straight up journalistic malpractice the way they phrased it
Correlation does not imply causation. Just because you misinterpret the headline doesn’t make it wrong.
It doesn't matter what the intent is here, the headline is misleading, which is poor journalist integrity. Both malice and ignorance can sink a ship.
Intent is irrelevant. Biden’s comment and the staffer’s letter correlate (A relationship or connection between two things based on co-occurrence or pattern of change). It is implied (To make evident indirectly) that Biden is disregarding the wishes of the staffers. If you can’t comprehend this, I can’t help you read gooderer.
Someone did the implying, and that's bad practice. You are correct that intent is irrelevant, yet you take issue with the headline being accused of intentional misinformation.
The thing about implications is that they exists regardless of your intent or your audience's comprehension. It doesn't matter if the headline is technically correct, if a significant portion of the audience leaves misinformed, that's poor jounalism. The extent to which this happens here edges into malpractice, either from ignorance or malice.
Since you take issue with the accusation, you either disagree with the claim of malice or the claim of misinformation; as you reject the former you must disagree that a headline that gives a drastically different interpretation of reality is misinformation. Am I wrong?
It’s called grammar. I didn’t make the rules.
So I don’t see it as malice or misinformation. I had no no trouble with the headline.
An implication doesn't need to be directly conveyed, especially in a situation so small as a headline. Implication is often used in headlines to convey more information that explicitly stating everything, and especially to save on word count.
For example: "TITANIC SINKS, 1500 DIE" Purely by literal meaning: A big boat sank, and somewhere at somepoint, many people died of something. Odd to include that people have died before, that's just a fact of life, but the Titanic was carrying a lot of people, did they survive? Too bad the headline didn't say, I guess they don't know yet.
We could look even deeper and conclude that Biden rejected the possibility of a ceasefire specifically because the former staffers demands. I don't think he's that spiteful, so it would be an odd interpretation, but it would be fully grammatical correct. Sorry, I didn't make the
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So I don't see how a single definition rules out others, as several exist.
So, you didn’t like, or understand the headline, and that’s the author’s fault. Fair point. It doesn’t make it grammatically incorrect though. Email the writer and let them know, if it means that much to you.
So they were grammatically correct with their intentionally misleading headline. Glad everyone reached a consensus.
Because it’s grammatically correct it’s not intentionally misleading. “As” is the keyword. Run has 645 meanings. Just because people interpret a phrase differently doesn’t mean it’s wrong, or malicious.
Except that it is obviously both wrong and malicious.
I proved that it is not grammatically wrong, can you prove that it is malicious?
It leaves out context, intentionally. If this was a fox news headline, I'd say the same thing, and you'd agree.
The context is in the article. It could be argued that it is in the headline too, but some obviously have interpreted it differently.
Edit: Replace “as” with “while” and maybe you’ll understand.
Indeed.
Edit: You are just being condescending and not pointing out anything meaningful.
I’m not trying to be condescending. I’m just incapable of explaining this in a satisfactory way. Those criticizing the headline are not pointing out anything meaningful. The information in the article correlates with the headline. Biden has the ability to endorse a ceasefire, “while” his former staffers are urging him to do so.
You are incapable of explaining it because it is an incredibly common and recognizable representation of a bad faith headline.
Summarizing an article and writing a headline isn’t easy. I know from experience. It may be in bad faith, it doesn’t appear that way to me. It doesn’t detract from the relevant information in the article.
FWIW I think the administration could, should, and (unfortunately) probably won't do more to support a cease fire.
I just don't think my opinion justifies misrepresenting what actually occurred in a headline intentionally.
And the author of the headline did. They knew. And if you have experience, you know they knew.
"Ok then stop sending bombs and using reaper drones to help them perform mass killings"
"No can do chief, Bibi told me I need to keep doing all that."
Considering the power that the US has over Israel, he pretty much is just dismissing his staffers.
And that’s the headline. Thanks.
Even if IDF stops shooting, what really makes people believe Hamas will stop? I want an end to the violence as much as anyone else but I really don't see a cease fire doing anything but giving Hamas time to rearm and plan their next massacre.
And if IDF doesn't stop shooting like they do now, will the continued escalation make less people flock to anti-israel organization like Hamas? Because all I can see happening is that, while Israel may take over some land, they are just strengthening the support of terrorists.
It's almost like the US isn't technically a combatant here.
I assumed people could read past the headline.
I mean... Isn't the point of the headline to concisely represent the article? That's the entire reason clickbait is considered bad.
Yes, the information in the article is unimportant because the headline is cumbersome. /s
What the fuck are you talking about?
Be civil
Username TokenBoomer acts full of themselves. Who would have thought?
Username howsetheraven is a scavenger and eats carrion. Who would have thought?
Be logical
Maybe I would be logical if people would stop criticizing the headline and read the fucking article. Wait until they notice the glaring grammatical error in paragraph 3.
And that is a reason to make the headline misleading?
Don’t read the article and remain ignorant then. This is a distraction from the contents.
That makes me feel better, but I wish he would put some weight behind it.