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Do you think there's better ways to fediverse?
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this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2023
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I feel like we need different ways to share and learn things about harmful posts and comments. Like, sure maybe your server aggregates the posts, and because you own the server you can remove or edit things if you really want to. But I should be able to say “this is objectively wrong in a dangerous way, and here’s proof” in a side channel that the server owner can’t block.
And for it to have any point at all, clients should be able to subscribe to feeds. Like, a science educator I respect can say “I trust this foundation that fights harmful disinformation” and I should be able to click a button and see their stuff. Without the server owner banning me for some weird reason.
That's kinda why I figured if the people hosting could choose what instances/subs to host then thats the control they'd have but they wouldn't be able to remove or edit specific posts since that would be the job of the users/mods.
Honestly, I've seen the Fediblock thing on Mastodon, and it's...pretty terrible. A whole lot of minority groups get targeted disproportionately by that stuff, especially by misinformation about their instances. The answer is really to leave instances if you disagree with moderation policies and the admins won't listen, and to join instances that are philosophically aligned with you, because unlike in a centralized/capitalist model, this actually works at cultivating a community that you can engage with in a healthy manner. If not, and you go with something like Fediblock/the one big blocklist site, you're just gonna end up with most instances that serve 2SLGBTQIA+ people getting blocked or having more harmful misinformation spread about them. Hell, if a lot of Lemmy had its way, anything but being capitalist and pro-USA would be banned.
But also, a lot of clients can subscribe to feeds already. ActivityPub is pretty great at cross compatibility with Mastodon and the like. You just subscribe to someone who uses a microblogging platform based on ActivityPub and it'll show up in your feed.
Really great ideas. I read up a bit on Fediblock and I think you’re absolutely right.
If I could riff off of your ideas a bit: instance-blocking recommendation lists bundle an entire stack of things together:
statements of fact or intent: this is wrong, this is right, this is insulting and harmful, this is insulting but not harmful if you can laugh at it
value judgements about those statements: I care about this issue but not that issue, this wrong statement is easily disproven, that wrong statement takes paragraphs to disprove, etc.
actions to take based on those value judgements: block, tag with a statement, link to an article, etc.
With things bundled, the whole stack has to be a pretty close match for a user’s own values, or else there’s friction. The user can just tolerate the friction, maybe miss out on some content, or they can decide to switch to a whole new list.
Suppose we could unbundle those from each other. Subscribe to the work of a group of volunteers that recommends safe defaults but lets you customize things when you encounter friction points.
I think that would be useful! I also think that anyone putting that much work in should look into hosting their own server, because they've already done the hardest part of hosting a server in the fediverse. A big part of the issue is that a lot of ActivityPub apps don't really have granular enough customization baked in to support that sort of thing just yet; you can get some apps that do that on the user side, but anything on the server/community side is usually just "block all" or nothing. The admin of my Mastodon instance is always complaining that he can't just hide certain instances from the "all" tab without blocking then entirely, and he just wants to hide them so they don't overwhelm the server, not block them from showing up for people who choose to interact with them.