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I’ve just finished a Marxist book club reading series, including Lenin and Marx and Rosa and several others.

My original studies were on anarchism. Graeber, Chomsky, lots of Anarchist Library articles.

My new studies are Postmodernists. Foucoult, Derrida, Marcusa, etc.

First things first:

  1. I think Marxists are way too proud of themselves and what they call science. I find Marxism useful but little more than a nice to discuss academic theory. I find serious flaws with it, and am annoyed that so many people seem to identify so strongly with it. In that way im very much in agreement with anarchists and postmodernists. The other thing is that Marxist-Leninism was infiltrated and defeated by capitalism many many times now, and sometimes even without its defeat it led to dystopia. I’m just not excited about this ideology at all, and I think it’s become a bit cringe to continue down this path. Capitalism and state is stronger today than it’s ever been. I think this has lived past its valid era.

  2. I think anarchism has a lot more truth and wisdom, but is not very powerful. I am unsure how to bring about this kind of society, which is true communism. It seems it will always devolve into a retelling of Marxist stages of history, feudalism, monarchism, capitalism. However I do think there are ways to prevent this if people are mass educated and localities are armed to prevent domination. But also, we live in a day of nukes, and I’ve never read an anarchist treaties on how to manage the nuclear arsenal anarchically. The more you organize anarchism though, the less it’s anarchism. I also worry about how much this turns into vigilantism and mob violence.

  3. I agree a lot with postmodernists, the concept of truth and morality since learning all the atheist rhetoric in my 20s are very vague to me. Understanding cultural truth, media power, the disparity of grand narratives, the collusion of the Everyman with the system (rather than it being purely a class duality) is “true” to me. However, even more so than #1 or #2 this very much lacks a revolutionary theory.

Then there’s the infighting. When you read the literature everyone “proves” each other wrong and shows how their “revolutionary vision” is impossible and not worth doing. People in socialist theory argue so strongly about such vague ideas. People really think that they are looking to achieve a thing called socialism, but I don’t think they will ever be satisfied with any system they find themselves in. They set impossible goals and then yell at the clouds that it hasn’t been obtained.

Sorry that’s my rant, I also am yelling at the clouds at my own intellectual defeat. I kinda feel like the best we can do is a kind of nihilism and intentional community.

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[-] mercury 23 points 1 year ago

I feel like this is what happens when you are too attached to labeling yourself politically. Believe what you want

[-] EthicalAI@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

Sure, but I guess I want two practical outcomes:

  1. A theory of action, that can then be put into practice.
  2. A level of commitment to that theory of action.

So, like, I could put 100% of myself into something I think will definitely work, or I could put 5% of myself into something I think likely won’t work but I’ll try anyway, or anything in between.

Not just for internet debates or something.

Also I’d like to be able to effectively share my vision for the world and answer common criticisms.

[-] sculd@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

A "theory of action" is how we end up in disasters like the cultural revolution.

Real life is messy and cannot be simplified into one theory, at least not yet. Otherwise why do you think we have so many departments, so many professors and PhDs in so many subjects?

[-] Lols@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

what are the real world, practical examples of putting 5% into something you think likely won't work, and what are the real world, practical examples of putting 100% into something you think likely will work?

life rarely if ever asks you for a complete political ideology, the vast majority of the time your influence on the world will be limited to specific answers to specific issues

[-] EthicalAI@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I volunteer with DSA some, should I volunteer a lot, a little? Is electoralism a good avenue, is mutual aid? Does it matter if my comrades have other ideas, or is big tent prefered? Should we organize under the banner of socialism, or should we use a less tainted word? Should you try to be a social democrat instead just out of defeatism? Or maybe I just go off and be a good person, be charitable. Or maybe I start a commune.

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago

Polish Solidarity movement. Knock yourself out.

Unlike Marxism, that nowadays requires religious mindset to fit in, and magical thinking to believe in, Solidarity movement is a practical example of people achieving goals together.

In general, if you look for a socialist movement that was actively persecuted by communists and corporatists alike, you’ll find something interesting to study.

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