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[-] vamputer@infosec.pub 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like doing entire phrases with some rhymes thrown in. Makes it easier to remember them.

"BonyTonyMoansHe'sOnlyGrownLonely" has a shitload of characters, and a full sentence (even a nonsensical one like that) is more memorable to me than a random handful of disparate words.

The more ridiculous, the better. (And, naturally, don't forget your numbers and symbols)

EDIT: Actually, no idea why I made it all one group of words. So long as spaces are in the password's character space (and they very well should be if friggin' emojis are), there's nothing stopping you from doing an entire, punctuated sentence- other than that we've been conditioned not to think of a password that way.

"Skinny Kenny's friend, Mini Ben, has 20 chins." That should be a fully-acceptable password with 46 characters (48 if you add the quotes), capital letters, numbers, and special characters.

[-] scinde@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

You can't compare a 46 random character password to a password composed out of words, the entropy of each is very different. Your kind of password is vulnerable to dictionary attacks which are way more common and easy than brute forcing every possibility. A 50+ characters unique random password for each service that is stored in a password manager which is encrypted with a 20+ characters random password is the most secure and future proof (for now).

Dictionary attacks aren’t some magic bullet. There are a lot of english words and just four of them IS comparable in cracking difficult to a standard 8-char password that is as random as you can make it. There are a lot more words than there are symbols. Four words is obviously not as good as 46 totally random chars

[-] scinde@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Dictionary attacks are definitely not a magic bullet, they require a lot of processing power, just like any other brute-force attack, but not more because of their longer length, as has been implied.

True, there are a lot of english words, but the amount of common words is relatively small. Most people aren't going to choose a password like "MachicolationRemonstranceCircumambulationSchadenfreude", even if it were generated for them (which is unlikely).

Sure, it is comparable to a standard 8 characters passward, but even that kind of password is verging on the insecure (it is the absolute minimum, which should be avoided when possible).

There are also a lot of symbols when you count emojies and the entire Unicode standard.

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