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I was a long time pirate back in the day, and thinking of sailing once again. However all my old booty spots are gone. What is Jellyfin?
A great UI to stream your movie files from your TV. A bit like Plex, but open source.
Tbh JF is faaaaaaaar from a 'great UI', it suffers from the 'open source design' of developers who have no idea how to design a good UI as the designers for the UI. I shouldn't need to click vaguely in the direction of where I think the X (close) button is to make it appear in the first place. The settings for a user should be in the same location as the admin settings. The main screen shouldn't look like it came straight out of 2000, it should have the categories all visible by default, it should be easier to setup https (plex was WAY easier in this regard), ota channel guides shouldn't be outsourced to a paid project, there is no built-in import/export (I recently moved to a docker image and found that out, yay)...
It 'works', but fuck me it's so rough around the edges that it draws blood. Plex has issues (downloading content from a server is wonky, metadata can grab the wrong movies, paid sub/lifetime etc) but it's so, so, so much closer to what an all-in-one media platform should be, imo.
I'm not arguing that any of your complaints are invalid. I just want to say that I use jellyfin to organize my movies and TV shows and access them from other computers on my home network. It works, is easy, was free. I like it.
Yeah, there's a reason I keep it installed and at the ready, but it's just less user-friendly and that is essential when my users aren't tech savvy, they just want things to 'work'. If JF reaches feature parity I'll migrate my users, but I can't be asked to explain why they need to pay a monthly fee for ota guides or why everything looks different, if I also need to explain that features are missing and why can't I move their watch history. It's got to be easy for them, but also for me too.
That's because it's a fork of Emby from 13+ years ago, still running 90% of that old code. They've kept it functional, that's about it.
If you want something that's actually still being developed/improved look to Emby or Plex. Emby is more focused on 'personal' media servers with your own content and users under your own control; plex is more focused on cloud services, integrating content they can run advertising on and requiring your users to authenticate through their public servers to be able to access your local/private server.
I use Plex for music because it is very good there, but Jellyfin for movies/tv which I like more for that kind of content.
Why did they fork Emby if Emby is still being actively developed?
Emby used to be entirely open source, it's free to use the base product (server software and the built in web browser based app) but requires a license for the installable apps and some server features so that the developers have some income from their work and incentive to keep spending their time+efforts on it.
Some people don't like paying others for their hard work so they'd regularly fork Emby as it releases updates so they could remove those paywalls.
Unwilling to continue supporting this, Emby went closed source so their work could no longer be stolen. Jellyfin is the final fork of emby before it officially closed its source code. They have since kept it running, but have made little to no improvements or changes beyond that.
I've had plex running on my nas for 6+ years now, and have it set to where all the cloud stuff is available but out of the way, as I have a small collection so I don't need to lean into the cloud streaming. I remember trying Emby in my evaluation of Plex, but as I recall the UI was bleh and it too followed a paid model. I know of Kodi but I haven't looked into it in a long time, and I never ended up actually trying it.
Plex is fine for my needs, but I decided to get setup with JF just 'in case' plex takes a sharp new direction or something (I've had it installed since the whole 'watch stuff free with ads' kicked off), so if/when I can just be like 'hey all plex did [stupid thing] so I just need you all to uninstall plex, grab this jellyfin app, and login with [credentials] and we will be all set'.
I've found that most FOSS projects just have a "for us, by us" mentality where nobody cares about making things easy to use to the point that it's not even possible if you're not an experienced coder AND have strong knowledge of networking.
Not to mention the setup for hardware encoding which basically expects deep knowledge of the matter to even get it to run, let alone run well. Plex on the other hand hides it behind a license but it JUST WORKS, there's no setup or anything.
I really wanted to use Jellyfin, but there's just too many pain points
Plex and Jellyfin are two ways to host your own content. Basically, instead of streaming from a Netflix server, you’re streaming from your own server.
Plex was the original, and Jellyfin is the FOSS alternative. In short, you run the program on a computer somewhere, and tell that program where all of your media is stored. It’ll scan your media depending on the library type (movies, TV shows, music, etc,) automatically pair it with the appropriate metadata, and make it available for streaming via the computer.
You can combine this with the *arr suite (Radarr, Sonarr, etc) to have your torrent client automatically download new content as it comes out. Basically, the appropriate *arr program listens for when new content gets released, then automatically tells your torrent client to search for that content (based on specific rules like language, bitrate, capture method, etc) and download it automatically. This pairs nicely with Plex/Jellyfin because you can use automatic torrent management to drop the files directly into the right folders for your server to scan and make available.
It does have a few drawbacks. One of the most annoying is port forwarding. Lots of VPNs have stopped offering port forwarding, because some creeps figured out how to use it to share/trade CSAM anonymously. But Plex and Jellyfin require an open port in order to be made available outside of your network, and you don’t want to run the server+torrents without a VPN. Some VPNs allow port forwarding, but randomly assign the port every time you connect. So it may work fine for a while, but will require occasional attention when that port changes.
There’s also the issue with needing a computer that’s turned on all the time. Some people (like myself) just run it on their home desktop. But that means I needed to set up Wake On LAN to be able to boot my computer up remotely, or just be okay with letting it idle all the time and never sleep. Personally, I chose to enable WOL, so I just remote into my network and send a magic packet before trying to stream. But that’s an extra step some people won’t want to do every time. If you have an old computer sitting around gathering dust, it can be a great weekend project.
Is there a benefit to setting something like this up instead of just using some of the better free streaming sites?
It's fun
Higher quality and more reliable. I spent like 2 hours trying to find a site to stream the show I'm currently watching that didn't have excessive audio issues. Were I a true pirate, I could simply download the highest quality available, and watch it whenever I want.
I wouldn't want to use Plex, though. If you know what you want to watch and it's already downloaded, just throw it on a flash drive or transfer it to your phone, no need to stream. If you want a netflix-style 2 terabytes of stuff that you may or may not ever watch, just... Spend the money on Netflix. Your time is worth more than that subscription fee. If Netflix doesn't have the show you want, do the thing I said in the first paragraph.
What show?
Last Exile. I like obscure old anime, so it's been on my list for a minute. I needed something to watch, so I checked Hulu. At some point in the last few months, they stopped streaming it.
So I definitely didn't go to theindex.moe, and I super didn't click on every damn streaming site they link to. I "promise" I didn't settle on animeflix dot live, and I definitely didn't put up with awful audio issues until I realized that the default server it streams from is in SD so you have to click the gear and set it to one of the HD servers instead.
I just pirate everything on to a hard drive I plug into my TV. I don't see the point in streaming files you already own.
If I understand your setup, when you decide you want to a new movie you have to download it, pull the hdd over to the machine, transfer it to the hdd, rename, perhaps even transcode, and then put the drive back on the TV.
In the type of setup described above or like mine, I can pull out my phone and using a very simple search all of the file handling and such is taken care of for me. I don't ever have to worry if I have the right filetype for the device I'm on, and I can watch that from any device on my local network, or just about any device that has an internet connection. Also, while I'm watching one thing, several other people can be watching whatever else they want on their devices.
Hdmi cable.
The better free streaming sites are my go-to, because I have plausible deniability, I don't with a torrent. And unfortunately my VPN throttles you unless you start paying. Which I am thinking about going ahead and doing.
Metadata categorization of your media content
Plex is actually a fork of Kodi (XBMC). Kodi is still actively developed, and easily supports both local media (for example, downloaded using one of the *arrs) and streaming from various sources using addons.
I remember xbmc from back when you had to run an injection from a MechWarrior save file in order to load it onto the og Xbox.
Still got my copy of MW
That's like saying humans evolved from monkeys. Plex and Kodi share a common ancestor, XBMC.
No it's not. Kodi is XBMC, they just changed the name.
Edit: straight from the horses mouth https://kodi.tv/article/xbmc-getting-new-name-introducing-kodi-14/
Right, so they share the common ancestor of XBMC from around 2007.
"the cloud is just someone else's computer"
(even if the computer is yours, whereas you have created your own 'mini cloud'. I hate that term, it's just a machine running software. It's all just machines, consuming us all. screams ... anyway)
You can use it behind a reverse proxy to avoid port forwarding.
What's FOSS?
Free (and) Open Source Software
I have been using Emby, which is like Plex and Jellyfin. Just another option. I don't need bells and whistles, just want to stream my content.
Jellyfin is an Emby fork
Nevermind that shit, Stremio + Torrentio + Real-Debrid. I'm fucking done with these greedy-ass companies. I was paying Netflix, Amazon, Disney, Apple, Paramount , MLB.tv and HBO, and pretty content to do so, and they all continually removed content and adjusted their pricing to reduce what I was getting for my money. They finally pushed me beyond my tolerance limit a few months ago and I've been back to sailing the high seas for the first time in 20 years.
I have more content now, all at acceptable quality options, all with good subtitles instead of the mess HBO was, and all on the same platform instead of having to jump between 7 different apps. I'm done with them and I'll stay done with them until they pull their heads out of their asses.
Edit: if you get a cheap computer, a Chromecast, a FireTV, or what I have - an Nvidia Shield TV, then you get even get a nifty remote controller and a good standard browsing platform for everything.
Just set this up on a cheap Onn 4k box from Walmart. Works fantastic. Also setup the Trakt integration to keep up with what I watch across multiple devices.
I haven't heard of Trakt before, but that sounds neat. I only ever watch stuff on my TV from my couch, so I haven't needed anything like that.
I'm like you, hadn't pirated outside of games since early 2000s and just started again. Wait until you see the shit we have now, it's mind-blowing how far it's come.
And with Jellyfin if you have the upload speeds you can even host for family etc, so anyone sharing your Netflix now can just login to your Jellyfin server, for them it will be a comparable experience.
Pirating games is basically unheard of for me, unless it's a product not readily available on a modern storefront.
Nintendo has a problem with me playing Pokemon Omega Ruby on a 3DS emulator? they are free to offer a switch version.
This is because steam is not an asshole, which is a big reason why I kind of got disappointed when they stopped offering movies. I like having those on the same platform
Do you need to set up a VPN for doing that? Or can they just log in straight up?
It's like Plex, but with fewer features and a worse interface.
Facts. I run both but JF is not 'family-ready' and thus sits on my server, receiving updates and idling until that changes. Plex took 5 minutes of explaining and the folks have been happily using it for a few years now.
Yeah buncha haters in here but you’re right.
Personally I prefer Apple TV and infuse.
Ten bucks says anyone downvoting has no idea what XBMC is.
There's now a whole ecosystem of applications to streamline the download of series (sonarr) and movies (radarr) using torrents or Usenet (prowlarr). Pair those with a good player like Jellyfin or Plex and you have a nice media center that for sure won't stop working everytime your family tries to watch a movie...
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Check out Stremio, if you are used to streaming services it is the best equivalent.
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