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Just switch to Linux, guys. You can do it!
said no music producer ever
There are people who work on music full time on Linux.
Sure, and my mechanic was working full time from his yard before buying a real garage with a lift. Just because some people go through the trouble of doing it doesn't mean it's the best tool for the job.
I'm not sure I understand how your analogy fits. There's no heavy lifting involved. ๐ Everything works and it's ready-made โ otherwise people wouldn't use it at all. There are also lots of distros specifically tailored to audio and studio work. Naturally, there's some things to learn but you also had to learn things when you got into audio and presumably you keep up with the industry so there isn't a big difference.
Check out /r/linuxaudio, lots of resources in the sidebar and very helpful community.
otherwise people wouldn't use it at allExactly my point, that's just not true. There's always some people who will use the worse tool instead of switching to the better tool (out of principle mostly), it doesn't mean the tool is great or as good as the alternative, it just means the person doesn't mind making their life harder than it needs to be.
Just like there were people insisting on doing graphical work on Windows back when Apple was miles ahead in that field or some places run Windows Server instead of using Linux and so on.
Heck, you're talking about using specific distros for music stuff... If you're going to dual boot or have a specific OS just for that, why not use the OS that has the better tools that are the industry standard?
There are tools that work on any OS. Audio processing has been developing at an even pace on all main OS (Windows, Mac, Linux). At this point it's a matter of what flow works best for you. Windows itself is not an industry standard by any means. The OS matters very little in general beyond being able to give you real time processing and low latency. Windows could not even do low latency before 10.
Pro tools (the real studio standard): Windows, Mac
Logic: Mac
Live: Windows, Mac
Nuendo: Windows, Mac
Sound Forge: Windows, Mac
Acid Pro: Windows
Reaper: Windows, Mac... Linux!
I can throw out names too. Bitwig, Cadence, Ardour, Zebra yabridge Pianoteq etc. Also entire distributions โ MX, Elementary, Ubuntu, Mint, Solus etc.
Is it relevant? Maybe, depending on what you actually need.
Like I said, there's no shortage of tools on any OS. If you want those specific ones that you listed and you want to do it on Windows, you can.
The only thing I object to is saying it can't be done on another OS that you're obviously not familiar with.
I never said it can't be done, just like my mechanic could make a living working out of his yard without a garage, I just said that if you're serious about it long term you can't escape it, the real (pro) tools aren't on Linux, just like my mechanic had to buy a garage if he wanted to continue doing that long term and professionally.
Can you now install Mac OS on any hardware? They have the best tools for audio work, right? I can just choose that tool and install it on my... Oh wait! I can't do that.
Do you not understand the argument you're arguing?
Hackintosh, but Pro Tools is what's used by the actual industry (so if you want to be serious about it you better learn to use it) and it's on both Windows and Mac.
Hackintosh is arguably harder to deal with than Linux.
And why is pro tools still an industry standard? Is it because it's the best software for the job, or is it because it was left unchallenged for 20 years?
It's the best tool if you want the job because that's the industry standard, but if you want to use alternatives then you've got a lot more choices on Windows and Mac.
I never said it's impossible to do audio work on Linux, you'll be limiting yourself if you do though.
Yeah you missed my point, but I would imagine that's normal for you. Anyway, enjoy your life!
Your point was that pro tools isn't necessarily the best, I never argued that it is (unless we're talking about becoming a professional in that field, in which case it's the best tool because you won't be able to make it as a pro if you refuse to use it, there's more to being the best than just how things work) and you haven't proven that Linux tools are better, so you didn't make much of a point.
Uh huh!
The best tool for the job is the tool you have access to.
That doesn't apply the same for tools as it does cameras. For cameras the idea is at least you have the image captured. For a tool, if you're trying to lift a car up, a hammer alone isn't going to do you much good.
Well, if you have Linux then you have a PC then you can install Windows and you have access to better tools...
I'd rather bath my nan than go through another Windows install.
they have a very narrow and specific set of software tools and hardware devices they can use. the ecosystem is shit, basically.
You're almost getting to the point of switching... So close!
It's not that bad. Bitwig studio plus ya ridge works pretty good. Also: no Tux no bux
I produced an album doing exactly this. the windows VST plugins with yabridge run like shit. not all of them worked. bitwig and reaper are fantastic though, and are great examples of what linux audio could be. unfortunately I am often using tools besides the daw and its built in features.
I should mention that yabridge folks are amazing. they are very responsive on IRC and they helped a lot. I think the main developer has pulled off something important here and I have a very high level of respect for what he's doing. i have to put my music before my computer though.
Sadly besides freecad all the other CAD programs i use are not made for linux
This is my biggest frustration as well. I usually use Onshape because it's browser based but it doesn't support a 3D mouse sadly.
This is the biggest issue for me. No idea what we can do to get those companies to switch. I think it would benefit them in the future too. Autodesk had that cloud-vm version of fusion for a while, but I'd imagine that was costing them more due to Windows.
I'm guessing programs like that are too complex for WINE?
once DRM and windows-only anti-cheat are no more, sure. but until then, the monopoly is working.
You will never switch. Oh well
Nope. i like playing games and not being in a community which brings up Linux in every conversation
Your right, windows being brought up continually because they did something shitty every day is way better
People having interests they're passionate about is a no-go, eh? What do you and your friends talk about?
Not operating systems...
As far as gaming goes, no you really cannot. While a lot of progress has been done, notably thanks to Valve's efforts with Proton, it's still not ready for mainstream. Anti-cheat software incompatibility, peripherals drivers unavailability and overall jankiness are as many hurdles that make it interesting for tinkerers, but unrealistic for the general public.
That's crazy, bud!
goes back to playing my games, doing my art and enjoying my computing experience
Yeah well, some of the most popular games in the world like Fortnite or Valorant cannot be played on Linux. Hell even Roblox which used to work was broken for 6 months this year due to a new anticheat (until it got fixed).
As for Xbox Gamepass ? Streaming only. Using a Thrustmaster wheel ? Fortunately someone is working on that, but not everyone is willing or able to build and load their own drivers into the kernel.
Setting aside potential "hurr hurr don't play these games" comments ; there is no way around using windows if you want access to all PC games, not just some PC games.
Wow!
Boss: "make sure you include a PSD and AI file in your package"
Me, a refined Linux user: "uhhhh"
Hmm wasn't really an issue for me at Hi-Rez as a graphic designer, but yeah keep drinking the industry standard Kool-Aid!
Everybody hear that? It didn't happen to this one guy so it must never happen ever anywhere!
Sure, but when I'm a cog in a bigger machine I need to prioritize my work being able to be continued by others or else I'll be stuck making every single change on it that needs to be made in the future. The architecture we use to use the same PSD on AE projects and embedded webapps is essential to the system functioning as needed. Many, if not most places follow that same line of thinking and using a separate program that isn't intended for that inner-platform use. It might be kool-aid but it's a problem bigger than what OS I'd like to use.
It HIGHLY depends of what gamer you are. I switched to linux almost three years ago and all the games I wanted to play worked (nearly) flawlessly. But... the thing is I play mostly single player ones and usually a bit older. So for me it was huge upgrade. I got so mad over Windows so many times during last months of usung it at home, BSODs for no reason, forced updates disrespecting my settings, ...
Not everyone can. People should consider their needs but Windows has programs that professionals rely on.