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Lol, everything is sourced.
No. There are plenty of articles with the "needs citations" tag.
But even of the ones that are? A LOT of people never actually read the sources and you have plenty of wild claims that are not at all supported by their citation. Plenty of "celebrities" have even talked about how it was a huge hassle to get something changed because the lie was cited... with something unrelated.
"a huge hassle"
Step 1. Remove the unfounded claim
Step 2. Go to the talk page explaining why you removed it
Step 3. If someone puts it back, edit war them, tag needs citation, call them out in the talk page, get the article locked by an admin, etc etc etc. These things happen all the time, and 95% of the time it gets corrected as long as someone gives a damn
That's a circular argument. If you can't trust the sources how can you trust the wikipedia article which cites those sources.
You can trust the sources, because unreliable sources can't be used on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources
You can check the sources... if the source doesn't check out... Guess what, Wikipedia has given you all the information you need.
In any discipline some part has to be trusted for the next to follow. It is not circular, it is axiomatic. You can do a Descartes to find a "guarantee of truth", but there won't be one. Hence your critique could literally be applied to anything. Check sources and be happy they are freely provided (and donate to Wikipedia).
That's my point, by mistrusting every other website, OP is violating axioms upon which Wikipedia is built, yet still claiming it's trustworthy
Ah, I now see better what you meant. That is in part a fun little contradiction, but much of Wikipedia's sources are books and articles that come in printed form. These are easier than other websites to verify as sources due to their tangible nature.
Oh, you're taking me literally. Sorry I didn't catch that.
Have you ever looked at the sources? Some pages have some insane blog spam "sources" linked.
Lawl, 1) 25% of Wikipedia in English is unsourced
https://venturebeat.com/ai/how-wikimedia-is-using-machine-learning-to-spot-missing-citations/#:~:text=With%20crowdsourced%20content%2C%20citations%20are,articles%20lack%20a%20single%20citation.
lAwL 2) 77% of Wikipedia is written by 1% of its editors
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia#:~:text=If%20the%20original%20information%20in,an%20apparent%20credibility%20to%20falsehood
RaWfL 3) once a source is credited once, it isn't rechecked and can be used as a source on Wikipedia countless times
LmFAo 4) literally anyone saying something does not make it credible or true.
Not at all. I'm responding to OP, and while my comment is informative and sourced so that other people can understand it too, I do not care at all that my in-kind response turns some people off.
Thanks, trusting wikipedia because it has a "source"(, as if a source meant the truth ๐,) is super weird, and i'll also add that a lot of sources are inaccessible anyway, such as those pointing to books. Wikipedia will hopefully(, in part because it's always a mistake to pretend knowing "the one truth",) be replaced one day, it's long overdue.
The inaccessibility of many wiki sources is a very good point, thanks.
I think Wikipedia serves its purpose as a broad strokes indicator of things that are likely significant in some way, but its limitations are as important as its content.
Lol.... kinda reminds of something.... Wikipedia?
As scrambled as your brain is, anything could.
my comment is informative and sourced so that other people can understand it too, I do not care at all that my in-kind response turns some people off.And you've learned how to copy and paste! Big day for you.
You're one obnoxious fuck.
Source?
This comment section
Haha, it was fun.
Yeah just like you copy and pasted your ethos from Wikipedia.
If you're this wrong about a two-syllable word, you shouldn't worry about cracking the code.
Rolfcopter. This guy doesn't know how to use Wikipedia.
You probably learned how to use Wikipedia from Wikipedia, that's how you got so wrong.
Not bad actually https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_and_fact-checking