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Oh no, it's one of those episodes, again!
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I though you said you were from Iran.
But seriously I don't think that episode was harmful.
Douglas is just a general asshole.
The character is an asshole AND that episode is transphobic. More telling is the creator (Graham Linehan) who is a vocal TERF. I don't really want to pollute this space with his toxicity, but search if you're curious.
Can you tell me what's transphobic about it?
When I first saw it I would have thought it was trans-supporting, other than the detail that (IIRC) the trans woman was played by a cisgender woman.
The entire point of it is that the only thing that is stopping Douglas from being genuinely, incredibly happy, becoming a better person and living an actually fulfilling life in the end is his inability to accept a historical detail that had made absolutely no difference to his relationship. And, since Douglas might be the worst person in the world, we see him destroy that because of his own weird machismo values. Just when we think he's completely changed as a character, his shittiness on this one thing, emblematic of his incredibly toxic masculinity, comes crashing down on him. This is, darkly, funny. We are abruptly reminded that Douglas is an actual monster, to the point of fist-fighting with the person he loves. "Character is briefly happy but previous behaviour and/or shittiness of their character ruins it for themselves" is like at like 30% of Linehan's sitcom plotlines.
If there's something I missed - and it's been a few years, and thoroughly agree that Linehan's subsequent behaviour justifies examining his previous work for ulterior motives - I would like to know it. Genuinely.
Nah I don't think so. Episode kinda got me a bit attracted to the female character ngl and I'm a hetero guy.
well sad to see/hear. But I'm still not convinced that the episode in its entirety is transphobic.
It's the b-plot from what I recall, it's not the main focus of the episode.
It was written long before his TERF days and so it's not exactly hateful, just ignorant and it's comparable to a lot of other ways comedy treated trans characters from the era - The League Of Gentleman was much, much worse than the IT Crowd imo, and that was a recurring character in every episode.
It's rather the issue that while Matt Berry has distanced himself from the episode Linehan actually still defends it as pro-trans.
Probably not, but Graham Linehan is by now just one of the most rabid transphobes you can imagine. He threw away everything he had to be a bigger TER“F”